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re: Newly Hired HC and recruiting
Posted on 12/21/16 at 8:15 am to airfernando
Posted on 12/21/16 at 8:15 am to airfernando
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but O was hired for continuity in recruiting
Has Alleva said that or is it just your assumption?
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"Players have really bought into how he's running the program. The continuity in recruiting. Those things are all very important."
We have a top 5 class right now, and I expect them to finish that way. That's basically what we were sold on. But pleading "he's new" to excuse the losses of two blue chip Baton Rouge linebackers is ridiculous. Putting that in a sig-quote, despite Alleva contradicting that idea when explaining WHY HE HIRED O, is ignorant.
I get that it's not the end of the world if you replace them. If we finish top 5 or better, then I would even say that there WAS continuity in recruiting. O is not new to the program, Louisiana, or LSU's recruiting targets.
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 8:20 am to Space Cowboy
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Man it was a miracle. Indeed, a freaking act of God, that Coach O got the three recruits he got this week. His recruiting prowess surely didn't have anything to do with it. It was just a stroke of good luck, that's all.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 8:20 am to Space Cowboy
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Man...you must have been sicken this morning when you heard the news that Lowell Narcisse had resigned with LSU and ended his recruiting, as it couldn't be anymore obvious that you want Coach O to fail so bad that you can even taste it.
what the frick are you talking about?
Posted on 12/21/16 at 9:05 am to sicboy
Blasphemy!String him up!
Posted on 12/21/16 at 9:25 am to Space Cowboy
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O, who has no identity as far as offense or defense
Why don't we do this instead.
Why don't we put together the best FOOTBALL players that we can get to come to LSU and play an offensive and a defensive scheme that best fits the talents of our players.
Ground Breaking!!!
Aranda adjusted and jumped around in his schemes to fit the players that were available to him a any given time.
Canada has said we was going to run an offensive scheme that best fits his players abilities.
So why is an identity needed to succeed?
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:20 am to Plankton
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People are freaking out because we didn't get the guy we wanted, but in reality any coach other than Les Miles is a step in the right direction.
Because Miles was crappy at recruitnig?
Posted on 12/21/16 at 11:30 am to Gray Tiger
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Because Miles was crappy at recruitnig?
No because he was crappy at coaching the past 5 years.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 11:50 am to Clockwatcher68
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But pleading "he's new" to excuse the losses of two blue chip Baton Rouge linebackers is ridiculous. Putting that in a sig-quote, despite Alleva contradicting that idea when explaining WHY HE HIRED O, is ignorant
Linebackers? Wouldn't that be a Dave Aranda miss? He is the linebackers coach and has been at LSU for a full year. If he can't close the deal with two Baton Rouge linebackers whose fault is it?
Fire Aranda or possibly sign Moses and Allen? The decision has been made and it is a damn good one and a win for LSU.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:04 pm to Tiger Ree
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Linebackers? Wouldn't that be a Dave Aranda miss?
Yes and no. It's Aranda's specialty but doesn't mean that O, as recruiting coordinator and defensive position coach, had no part in recruiting these kids.
He was the head of recruiting, right? If every recruit that leaves or comes is on the position coach or coordinator than why do we have a head of recruiting in the first place?
Not saying it was all O's fault, but if you're head of recruiting and a defensive position coach you should take some blame when top defensive recruits leave for other schools. Otherwise, what's the point of being "head of recruiting".
You have said before how great of a recruiter O is, but you won't give him any blame. It's a pretty biased way to look at recruiting. If they leave blame position coaches and coordinators. If they come it was because of O's recruiting ability.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:33 pm to Tiger Tracker
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You have said before how great of a recruiter O is
Never said that. Are you making shite up again? Make BS statements and argue against your BS? WTF?
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Yes and no. It's Aranda's specialty but doesn't mean that O, as recruiting coordinator and defensive position coach, had no part in recruiting these kids.
But the position coach wouldn't have the most say and do the most recruiting?
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Not saying it was all O's fault, but if you're head of recruiting and a defensive position coach you should take some blame when top defensive recruits leave for other schools. Otherwise, what's the point of being "head of recruiting".
Dameyune Craig is the recruiting coordinator. I wonder as you do. what is the point of have a DC and RC if they can't sign good players. Fire both of them !!!
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:01 pm to Tiger Ree
I'm sure all of the stuff you've been posting about Texas recruiting has been the fault of their assistants and not Herman, correct?
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:27 pm to Tiger Ree
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Never said that. Are you making shite up again? Make BS statements and argue against your BS? WTF?
why are you so inflammatory and accusatory? Your poor recollection of your own words should not be a burden on me, but fine: quote:
Posted by Tiger Ree online on 11/16/16 at 11:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It's not like Bama's recruiting or DL play could get any better.
Saban would do it to hurt LSU's recruiting. He knows that O can go into La or any southern state and take the best D-line players. If he is not doing it for LSU - Saban's biggest threat in the SEC for recruiting, he has just won a major battle.
Arden Key would be lined up on the opposite side of Tim Williams this year and LSU would have a 3-star rushing the opponents QB.
So Saban's biggest threat to recruitinf isn't a good recruiter? on top of that you argued, against Herman, about how O had more championship rings because of his time as recruiting coordinator at various schools.
So you say all of this only to now say you never thought O was a great recruiter? So now you are telling me you wanted to hire a guy who isn't a good recuiter? Wow...
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But the position coach wouldn't have the most say and do the most recruiting?
Im sure they do. I'm just saying let's not pretend like O wasn't involved in the recruiting process of these players.
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Dameyune Craig is the recruiting coordinator. I wonder as you do. what is the point of have a DC and RC if they can't sign good players. Fire both of them !!!
That wasn't my point. Not sure if you can follow this, but O was head of recruiting for a while. Craig took over 4 games in when O was named interim HC. All the while, even after named perm coach, O continued to recruit.
Honestly, i dont know if it's your blind love of O, or your hatred of me that causes you to flame up and disagree with everything i say, but just calm down please.
I haven't made anything up. I'm just saying that O, as recruiting coordinator, also shares in some of the blame if guys leave. It's not like he moved from dline and recruiting coordinator to another job outside lsu.
In your original post i replied to you basically pushed the blame on Aranda 100%. I was simply stating that it shouldn't be all on him since it's part of the recruiting coordinators job to help get these players. I am sure you will have some ridiculous back tracking hate filled, and sarcastic response, but that's what i have come to expect from you.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:52 pm to MOT
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I'm sure all of the stuff you've been posting about Texas recruiting has been the fault of their assistants and not Herman, correct?
why would it be? Anything that's a negative remotely related to Herman is his fault, but anything negative about O has blame placed elsewhere. Everyone knows the recruiting coordinator who is now head coach doesn't take any responsibility for recruiting.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 7:47 pm to Tiger Tracker
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because he was crappy at coaching the past 5 years.
That must be why LSU won more games in the last five years than Saban won in his five years. Crappy coaching.
It's funny how the clowns tell us ten wins is not good enough because anyone can win games at LSU and LSU recruits for itself, but now the goal posts have moved as we are told it takes two years to get a handle on recruiting and ten wins is acceptable.
Why did we fire Les again? If we don't win eleven games next season, this whole firing and hiring process has been nothing but a waste of time and LSU resources.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 9:24 pm to LSU Groupee
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That must be why LSU won more games in the last five years than Saban won in his five years. Crappy coaching.
Saban revived this program from near death. Miles had already been here 6 years before his last five. Not really a fair comparison. Also, Miles was playing poor in conference games (the ones that really matter). He refused to update the offense and the team began to trail behind others because of it.
I don't hate les miles, but his coaching left a lot to be desired towards the end. The penalties, predictable offense, lack of qb development. I would say that's a pretty bad job. I guess crappy is a bit extreme. Maybe sub-par is better.
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Why did we fire Les again? If we don't win eleven games next season, this whole firing and hiring process has been nothing but a waste of time and LSU resources.
Hey I'm with you on the terrible hiring "process" this year. I expect this team to get at least 10 wins. It's a tough schedule but 10 wins should happen.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 11:22 pm to tigerwith3
Dude O is locking up a top 5 class with a little trouble at LBer. And any coach in the sec will struggle vs bama RT now especially at LBer. Sucks but this isn't on O. Look at Herman and UT. They are struggling big time and we should consider ourselves lucky to see this staff doing the work that they are. Amazing job. Hell qb alone tops the past decade. Best safety class by far.. Dline looking to be one of the best. I'm starting to feel like it was a blessing in disguise to miss on Herman and let O keep the staff hire Canada and see what happens.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:34 am to Tiger Ree
Lol all those idiot Texas fans can't believe that the players committed to UofH the school and not Tom Herman.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:06 pm to tigergym
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Canada has said we was going to run an offensive scheme that best fits his players abilities.
This is coach speak. Every good OC or DC is going to have a base philosophy. Saying he's going to place players in positions and play design that will make best use of their talents is not really a novel concept there. No decent coach is revamping their offense or defense from recruiting class to the next.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:01 pm to Goldrush25
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coach speak
Didn't say they would revamp from class to class. Do you really think that Alabama's offensive scheme this last year is what Saban had usually preferred to run?
He had his coordinator adjust his identity to the type of elite athletes they were signing.
I'm sure there are preferred philosophies, but the successful OC and DC will adjust accordingly.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:39 pm to Goldrush25
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This is coach speak. Every good OC or DC is going to have a base philosophy.
And Canada does. What the other poster was saying is that he will modify his base scheme based on the talent at his disposal and the teams he plays. So while the base scheme is to remain the same it could a little more spread, power i, power spread, etc depending on the athletes and the opponent. Excited to see this type of thinking finally implemented at lsu.
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