re: Jordy seems to think its Kragthorpe

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A top OC is not going to come here because he won't have total control of the offense.

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I always hear this parroted by everyone, but how the frick do they know this? Miles isn't calling plays. I'm sure he has input, or can overrule a call, just like any other head coach. Doesn't mean he's "running" the offense.

As for Krag's family issues, don't y'all think Miles knows about the situation, and is considering its ramifications?

les just drug this shite out too long waiting to get the michigan shite resolved .. crowton should have been shown the door after the arkansas game .. les' pool of candidates would have been a helluva lot more attractive at that time ... i know les likes being the nice guy and likes letting his failed assistants find other jobs instead of firing them .. but he is going to have to start firing some of them .. this one has created a poor timing situation ..

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Agreed Max. It's sickening. I just find it hilarious we're targeting some guy whose greatest accomplishment is giving Drew Bledsoe one half decent year. It's pathetic.

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What were your thoughts when we targeted Chavis?

Most of the talk around this board was of "3rd and Chavis" and that he hadn't fielded an "elite" defense in a decade and that he couldn't defend the spread option.

Of those three concerns, only one of them may still be valid.

Point is, every candidate has strengths and weaknesses. When you are a fan of a school, you tend to think every person in the world would be dying to coach for your school, but that's not the case.

I'm not saying Kragthorpe is the slam dunk hire, but acting like Fuente (just taking a popular name from the board) would just be stellar, isn't necessarily the truth. Kragthorpe has been around coaching for 20+ years, so he's had a lot more opportunities to fail... Fuente hasn't met those walls yet.

What if next year TCU fields a bottom 20 offense since they lose a ton of players?

I'm just saying, this isn't as black and white/cut and dry and fans on message boards make it out to be.

And I'd love it if we hired Fuente. But I'm not slamming down Kragthorpe because of a) A unknown personal situation when by all accounts he's a standup guy and b) A failed stint at Louisville.

One last note: this shite happens all the time. Good coaches fail as a head coach and then have to rebuild their M.O. to position to get better jobs again. Dick Jauron is one of the elite defensive coaches in the NFL but he's coaching defensive backs. Why? Why aren't people lining up to hire him for DC? Because he had a shitacular run at Buffalo and has to repair that rep, unfortunately.

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this one has created a poor timing situation ..

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not necessarily. if we were hiring a head coach then the timing would've been gawd aweful. getting a coordinator to change jobs isn't nearly as hard he can wait until after signing day.

good point since we're shorthanded

When was Gus Malzhan the OC at Tulsa ? Was it during Krag's HC stint, or was he under Graham ?
Whenever it was, he ran a pretty good offense there also.

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i love how Miles can so easily lower expectations. "As long as its not Crowton, I like it." "As long as its not Gonzo or Stud." Its not as if we have the ability to pay top 3-5 for an OC nationally, loads of talent, the opportunity to move into a prime HC job in a few years etc. As long as its the lesser evil.

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Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from.

However, I'm not convinced we need a high profile OC. I just want us to have an identity. This crap of trying to be all things- power running I-form, read option, spread, spread option, etc. for the past few years doesn't work. We need to know who we are and what we want to do and do it well.

Is Kragthorpe the guy to do that? Is Fuente? No one knows for sure.

Also, it's not like other SEC schools have not made underwhelming OC choices. Even though Bama fans don't love the guy, McElwain is doing exactly what Saban wants. Meyer promoted Adazzio to mixed results, but he was able to get a D1 head job out of it.

i'd love to see someone run an everyday business that way .. chick is fricking up in accounting .. cost the company $100K .. but keep her at her desk and subtly hint that she might need to look for another job ..

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it's also about recruiting

without an OC, les gets more in-home visits

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This is why I don't expect an announcement this week.