Is Brian Kelly cfb's most overrated coach

He's not that good of a coach and Notre Dame isn't a great program anymore. They have no inherent advantage over anyone anymore.

If Kelly gets fired from ND, he could be a good replacement for Herman at UH assuming Kelly doesn't get another P5 job. He thrived at a similar program in Cincy.

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Brian Kelly cfb's most overrated coach

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Footballs version of John Brady. Miserable human being, recruits well but can't motivate his talent.

We'll never be able to recruit like Alabama has over the last five years or USC did during the height of the Carroll era, but we can still recruit very well and still have one of the strongest brands in the sport. I don't know many other programs who could sell out regular season games as the home team in Dallas, New York, Dublin, Washington DC, Boston, and Chicago. We have had both a #1 and #2 overall class within the last decade and are in the top ten or top fifteen in recruiting every single year. While we don't dominate (obviously), we can still get our foot in the door of every school out there. A competent coaching regime would have us winning double digit games virtually every year and contending for titles about once every four year recruiting cycle.

Kelly just isn't that great of a coach. It's been pretty obvious for a while now, and there has been an element in our fanbase screaming from the rooftops that he was nothing special for years; I thought that they, while unfair at times, were directionally correct. We are 2 - 5 against one of the worst schedules we have played in the modern era and one of the worst that any power team will play this season.

Keep an eye on Mike MacIntyre. What he's managed to do at both San Jose State and now Colorado is borderline miraculous. I like overall +/- as my best coaching metric: MacIntyre has taken a San Jose State program that was -249 the year before he got there and had them at +175 by the time he left (a +424 overall improvement) and a Colorado program that was -338 the year before he got there and has them at +133 with half the season still to play (a +471 overall improvement); +424 and +471 are virtually unheard of numbers. For comparison, Herman is +157 improvement at Houston (granted, he took over a program on better footing, so the delta won't be as high) and Fleck is +191 at WMU. The only other close number is Fuente's +393 at Memphis.

The thing I'm always skeptical about with rebuilds is that some of the programs were so bad beforehand that it was almost inevitable they'd improve.

Colorado was so bad beforehand that it was almost inevitable they'd get better when Macintrye took over.

He is really bad at putting a staff together.

nice blurb on him in coaches hot seat today:

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1. Brian Kelly, Notre Dame – When you can’t score more than 10 points on a team in Stanford that had 44 and 42 points hung on it in the previous two weeks by Washington and Washington State you have a Helluva problem on your hands BUT there is something far worse than the Total Meltdown of Notre Dame Football that is now ongoing in South Bend right now and that is this reality…

In Brian Kelly’s SEVEN seasons at Notre Dame the Irish have lost FOUR or more games…

5 of those 7 seasons!

With the loss to what is a Very Damn Average Stanford team Brian Kelly’s record at Notre Dame since the Irish were destroyed by Alabama in the National Title Game in January 2013 now stands at…

29 – 17 (.630)

…..and to put Kelly’s .630 winning percentage over the last FOUR seasons into perspective since Ara Parseghian arrived at Notre Dame in 1964 only FOUR coaches have had a winning percentage less than .700…

Gerry Faust
Bob Davie
Tyrone Willingham
Charlie Weis

….and ALL of those Notre Dame coaches were fired and even if one takes into account Kelly’s entire record over SEVEN seasons at Notre Dame his winning percentage is still only…

.671

….far below what the alumni of Notre Dame we know are willing to accept from their head football coach especially with ZERO National Titles on the board.

Here’s the problem at Notre Dame which we call the “Charlie Weis Problem” here at Coaches Hot Seat that applies to all these schools that give guaranteed contracts to coaches that have done Little To Nothing to have earned those guaranteed multi-million dollar contracts….

Notre Dame, coach Brian Kelly agree to 6-year contract extension, Chicago Tribune, January 29, 2016

Brian Kelly is signed by Notre Dame through the 2021 season and a Notre Dame alum friend of ours guesstimated that if the school fired Brian Kelly in December 2016 with FIVE years left on this contract the school would owe Kelly…

“Something in the neighborhood of $20 million dollars….if not more!”

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Just for the record below are the Win/Loss Records and Winning Percentages of the Notre Dame Head Football Coaches since Knute Rockne took over the Irish in 1918 ranked by Winning Percentage including how many games a year Bozo the Clown would averaging winning coaching at Notre Dame with a 13 game schedule each season = Average 9.5 wins a season!:

1. Knute Rockne: 105-12-5 (.881)
2. Frank Leahy: 87-11-9 (.855)
3. Ara Parseghian: 95-17-4 (.836)
4. Edward McKeever: 8-2 (.800)
5. Lou Holtz: 100-30-2 (.765)
6. Dan Devine: 53-16-1 (.764)
7. Elmer Laydon: 47-13-3 (.754)
8. Bozo the Clown (.731)
9. Brian Kelly: 57-28 (.671)
10. Terry Brennan: 32-18 (.640)
11. Heartley Anderson: 16-9-2 (.630)
12. Bob Davie: 35-25 (.583)
13. Tyrone Willingham: 21-15 (.583)
14. Charlie Weis: 35-27 (.565)
15. Gerry Faust: 30-26-1 (.535)
15. Joe Kuharich: 17-23 (.425)

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Brian Kelly is a good example of why someone's paper resume doesn't always equate to huge success at a much bigger program.

Kelly was the Nick Saban of Div 2. He had totally turned around Central Michigan. He had Cincinnati going from 10 to 11 to 12 wins.

Everything said he was the next top level coach and he hasn't produced that way at Notre Dame.

Bingo. "Kelly has won everywhere he's been!"

"Herman has won everywhere he's been!"

Kelly had been to more places than Herman and still failed when he got to the elite level.

Where has Herman been? Houston and the mensa club?