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re: If Orgeron made it known that he could hire Chip Lindsey as OC
Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:23 am to PeaRidgeWatash
Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:23 am to PeaRidgeWatash
As a second choice but not as a primary.
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:28 am to chipdouglas96
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and 5-1 in the sec
Against teams with a combined 20 SEC losses this season if they lose no other games but the LSU game...so that 20 could be even higher.
Mizzou (1-5 in SEC)
Ole Miss (2-4 in SEC)
Arkansas (2-4 in SEC)
Florida (5-2 in SEC right now)
Texas A&M (4-3 in SEC right now)
not exactly a murder's row and not enough to give him the job IMO.
and his other win is against 5-5 Southern Miss
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his only losses will be to #1 Bama, UCLA, and Notre Dame
So basically the only good teams that he has coached against
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 9:30 am
Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:36 am to molsusports
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I'm tempted to argue that every dominant head coach in recent history was a lot more successful in their first job than Orgeron.
Just looking at the first three seasons coaching for past National Champion coaches:
Nick Saban - 17-13-1 .548 win percentage (Toledo and Mich. St. No losing seasons, two bowl losses)
Urban Meyer - 27-8 .771 win percentage (Bowling Green and Utah. No losing seasons, one bowl win)
Jimbo Fisher - 31-10 .756 win percentage (No losing seasons, three bowl wins)
Gene Chizik - 13-24 .351 win percentage (Iowa St. and Auburn. Two losing seasons, one bowl win)
Les Miles - 21-16 .567 win percentage (One losing season, one bowl win)
Mack Brown - 11-22 .333 win percentage (App St and Tulane, two losing seasons)
Pete Carroll - 25-23 .54 win percentage (NYJ and NE, one losing season, two playoff appearances)
Ed Orgeron - 10-25 .285 win percentage (three losing seasons)
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 9:41 am
Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:43 am to chipdouglas96
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Look I'm not advocating for O, but plenty of coaches have failed at their first and even second jobs and have gone on to successful careers
That's fine, but it is unreasonable to focus on hiring the coaches that succeeded at their first jobs?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
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If a guy needs superstar coordinators on both sides of the ball to be successful then guess what, your HC isn't very good.
TE's coach Steve Ensminger says "Hey".
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:54 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I believe that LSU should target a few "Tier 1" coaches
Disagree. There should only be two choices for LSU. Jimbo Fisher and Coach O - in that order. There are no other Tier 1 candidates that will leave their jobs for LSU or come with less risk than Coach O.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:55 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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.I will support FULLY the naming of O as HC and will cheer like hell for him.
Agree
Posted on 11/16/16 at 10:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
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but plenty of coaches have failed at their first and even second jobs and have gone on to successful careers
Not that badly.
Before you bring up Belichick, he still has the last playoff win in Browns history.
O was worse than Curley
Belichick did not coach the Ole Miss Rebels. Urban Meyer's career path would have probably been a lot different if he had started his HC career at that dumpster fire.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:02 am to Zap Rowsdower
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rising star and superstar coordinators and relying on them to have full reign on their side of the ball is that they eventually move on. When you set yourself for that revolving door every three years the chances of missing on a good hire or one or these stars not quite panning out get bigger. Not the best way by any means for a head coach to run and manage a major college football program.
That is the best possible thing that could happen to any program at any level. That means you are highly successful. If the OC doesn't pan out he can always promote Steve Ensminger again until finding another superstar. LSU pays enough to have a lot of interest.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:08 am to PeaRidgeWatash
If O ends up being the man, I think they need to get a really top flight O-coordinator.
Kinda sucks for Ensminger since he has done a pretty good job in a short time. But maybe they could give him the Special Teams spot or something. They've improved some since Miles left but punt returns for one still need a lot of improvement.
Peveto can be moved out or if he really is that great at recruiting they could find some other spot for him that he can use to do that.
Kinda sucks for Ensminger since he has done a pretty good job in a short time. But maybe they could give him the Special Teams spot or something. They've improved some since Miles left but punt returns for one still need a lot of improvement.
Peveto can be moved out or if he really is that great at recruiting they could find some other spot for him that he can use to do that.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:12 am to molsusports
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It is also very hard to blindly trust he would be able to handle a team as permanent coach, not just as interim
What he is doing now will not change if the interim tag is removed. Well, except that he will hire a new OC and install the offense USC ran under Pete Carroll. He is doing everything a regular HC would do on a day-to-day basis right now.
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then show he can do it at a lesser power five school or a midmajor first
Why the frick would he do that? He is running an SEC program right now. He is 4-1 with the only loss being by 10 points to the #1 team in the country. He has a good chance of finishing 7-1 with a Sugar Bowl victory.
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You don't get to fail at your first HC chance and then get promoted to a top five coaching job.
Who says? That is exactly what may happen and for you to say otherwise is not very smart. If the reports that is is down to O and Jimbo are true, your statement would not be very smart at all.
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LSU should take their best possible shot at hiring a proven head coach with the best possible football mind we can land.
Which is Jimbo or O.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:24 am to Tiger Ree
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Urban Meyer's career path would have probably been a lot different if he had started his HC career at that dumpster fire.
Yeah, Meyer started his career at Bowling Green. They were 2-9 the season before he started and 24-42 in the six seasons before he arrived. He went 8-3 his first season.
Ole Miss went 4-7 the season before O arrived, was 44-29 in the six seasons before his arrival and was just 2 seasons removed from a tie for first in the SEC West. He proceeded to make them worse.
Looks like Meyer stepped into more of a dumpster fire than O.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:25 am to Methuselah
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Kinda sucks for Ensminger since he has done a pretty good job in a short time
Ensminger doesn't want the OC position. He wouldn't take the move personally.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:29 am to PeaRidgeWatash
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Keep Aranda, Craig Raymond, etc. would that not tempt his doubters to give him a shot?
And what happens in a few years when those guys inevitably move on? Do you trust O to put together the same caliber of staff?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:32 am to PeaRidgeWatash
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would that not tempt his doubters to give him a shot?
nope nope nope.
HC is the most important man in the football program. The assistants he hires do not change that. coordinators come and go.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:35 am to Tiger in NY
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Ole Miss was a decade ago. You think Orgeron 's growth has just been static? He constantly speaks about all he did wrong there. You think he hasn't grown as a coach?
Name me one coach in the history of college football that has gone from 28% win % to an NC caliber coach on a yearly basis? Just one.
Take your time.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:38 am to Tiger Ree
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LSU should take their best possible shot at hiring a proven head coach with the best possible football mind we can land. Which is Jimbo or O.
Good grief. I am not saying I want any of these gentlemen or that they would definitely take the job but the following is a non-exhaustive list of coaches with better track records than O that would consider LSU in a heart beat. And before you argue, it recently came out that Frank Beamer contacted LSU in 2005 but was too late. LSU is a job coaches want.
Dana Holgerson
PJ Fleck
Dan Mullen
Tom Herman
Willie Taggert
Larry Fedora
Jeff Brohm
Tommy Tuberville
Brian Kelly
Rich Rodriguez
Todd Graham
Jim Mora (jr or sr)
Kyle Whittingham
Mike Leach
Gus Malzahn
and, for crying out loud Mark Hudspeth.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:39 am to Tiger Ree
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TE's coach Steve Ensminger says "Hey".
The Bama game proved beyond a shadow of doubt that Ensminger is not a good OC. Horrible horrible horrible gameplan. Own it man.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:51 am to Tiger Ree
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Urban Meyer's career path would have probably been a lot different if he had started his HC career at that dumpster fire.
What are you even talking about. you proved yesterday that you just talk without even researching your 'facts' The coaches before and after O were infinitely better than he was. Hardly a 'dumpster fire'.
the five years prior to O, cutcliffe went...7-6, 10-3, and 4-7. O then went 3-8, 4-8, and 3-9.
Houton freaking nutt then went 9-4, 9-4.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:55 am to PeaRidgeWatash
Focus energy on Fisher. All these what if scenarios will never happen. Do you all sit around figure out the next dumb idea to post about? Alleva and the BOs are all hands on deck to get Jimbo here. Deal with it. Waiting to Track that TaF plane to talla.
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 11:57 am
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