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If Orgeron made it known that he could hire Chip Lindsey as OC
Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:34 am
Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:34 am
Keep Aranda, Craig Raymond, etc. would that not tempt his doubters to give him a shot?
As a former HS head coach in Alabama and his trajectory his career has been on, seems like it could be exciting.
Believes in running the football to be successful in the college game, even though he was a spread guy in HS. Arizona State's offense looks good and could be electric with elite athletes.
As a former HS head coach in Alabama and his trajectory his career has been on, seems like it could be exciting.
Believes in running the football to be successful in the college game, even though he was a spread guy in HS. Arizona State's offense looks good and could be electric with elite athletes.
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:50 am to PeaRidgeWatash
Solid post is solid
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:03 am to Random LSU Hero
If orgeron stays, I would hope he would have a home run hire with the amount we would have to spend on a top OC. No offense to Lindsey but he is not that.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:07 am to PeaRidgeWatash
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would that not tempt his doubters to give him a shot?
No because this is just more short term thinking. O has already shown he lacks the skills to manage a program in a long term capacity. If a guy needs superstar coordinators on both sides of the ball to be successful then guess what, your HC isn't very good.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:17 am to PeaRidgeWatash
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give him a shot?
This phrase has no place in a coaching hire.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:18 am to PeaRidgeWatash
1) O as a candidate will, undoubtedly, need to demonstrate to ALLEVA (not us posters) that he has a cogent offensive concept and the ability to staff it appropriately.
2) All of the "doubters" are NOT anti Orgeron so much as anti Orgeron as FIRST tier.
I believe that LSU should target a few "Tier 1" coaches (the names are discussed to death). Now, IF those coaches choose to not take the job...I will support FULLY the naming of O as HC and will cheer like hell for him.
LSU is in the great position of not having to fall very far before "settling" on a very good candidate.
2) All of the "doubters" are NOT anti Orgeron so much as anti Orgeron as FIRST tier.
I believe that LSU should target a few "Tier 1" coaches (the names are discussed to death). Now, IF those coaches choose to not take the job...I will support FULLY the naming of O as HC and will cheer like hell for him.
LSU is in the great position of not having to fall very far before "settling" on a very good candidate.
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 7:19 am
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:21 am to Draconian Sanctions
Look I'm not advocating for O, but plenty of coaches have failed at their first and even second jobs and have gone on to successful careers. If he wins out he will be 13-3 as interim coach at 2 top schools and 5-1 in the sec. his only losses will be to #1 Bama, UCLA, and Notre Dame
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:22 am to PeaRidgeWatash
quote:Over Fisher? No. shite no man.
would that not tempt his doubters to give him a shot
If they hire O, I'll be disappointed regardless of who is hired at OC. But I will support him and hope for the best.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:24 am to chipdouglas96
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but plenty of coaches have failed at their first and even second jobs and have gone on to successful careers
Not that badly.
Before you bring up Belichick, he still has the last playoff win in Browns history.
O was worse than Curley
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:27 am to PeaRidgeWatash
Not really. The problem with hiring rising star and superstar coordinators and relying on them to have full reign on their side of the ball is that they eventually move on. When you set yourself for that revolving door every three years the chances of missing on a good hire or one or these stars not quite panning out get bigger. Not the best way by any means for a head coach to run and manage a major college football program.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:33 am to Draconian Sanctions
Ole Miss was a decade ago. You think Orgeron 's growth has just been static? He constantly speaks about all he did wrong there. You think he hasn't grown as a coach?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:35 am to chipdouglas96
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Look I'm not advocating for O, but plenty of coaches have failed at their first and even second jobs and have gone on to successful careers.
Give some names other than Carroll and Belicheck, who were infinitely more successful at their 1st stops than O.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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No because this is just more short term thinking. O has already shown he lacks the skills to manage a program in a long term capacity. If a guy needs superstar coordinators on both sides of the ball to be successful then guess what, your HC isn't very good.
Name 5 coaches that's had sustained success without great coordinators?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:54 am to chipdouglas96
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If he wins out he will be 13-3 as interim coach at 2 top schools and 5-1 in the sec
He was 5-2 as USC's interim coach. Played three good opponents. Lost two of three of those - one by a blowout to UCLA.
It is very hard to put much value into the games at LSU he's had so far (MU, Ole Miss, Arkansas, SM). It is also very hard to blindly trust he would be able to handle a team as permanent coach, not just as interim, when his prior record with this was so bad.
It isn't hard really. If he really wants to be at LSU then accept the DL/RC position. If he really wants to be a head coach, then show he can do it at a lesser power five school or a midmajor first. You don't get to fail at your first HC chance and then get promoted to a top five coaching job.
No coach is guaranteed success, but that just means LSU should take their best possible shot at hiring a proven head coach with the best possible football mind we can land.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:57 am to Tiger in NY
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Ole Miss was a decade ago. You think Orgeron 's growth has just been static? He constantly speaks about all he did wrong there. You think he hasn't grown as a coach?
I don't care about his growth as a coach as long as he proves it at a mid-major like every other coach in history.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 8:25 am to Tiger in NY
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You think he hasn't grown as a coach?
Sure but you don't go from a 3-9 coach to contending for NCs. Not in 10 years not in 100 years. He just doesn't have it.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 8:29 am to crazy4lsu
I'm tempted to argue that every dominant head coach in recent history was a lot more successful in their first job than Orgeron. In part because most of the best really did pretty well when they first got a shot. And in part because that run at Ole Miss was so bad.
There's probably an exception but just thinking about some of the names that immediately occur it feels like a decent chance of being true.
There's probably an exception but just thinking about some of the names that immediately occur it feels like a decent chance of being true.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 8:43 am to chipdouglas96
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Look I'm not advocating for O, but plenty of coaches have failed at their first and even second jobs and have gone on to successful careers
Please share this list of plenty.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 8:47 am to Random LSU Hero
Question is... under which HC (Jimbo or Eaux) is Aranda more likely to remain?
Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:11 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Sure but you don't go from a 3-9 coach to contending for NCs. Not in 10 years not in 100 years. He just doesn't have it.
you are just terrible
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