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Herman Will Have More Success at LSU Than Texas
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:38 am
FWIW I still think UTw will land Herman over LSU... I'm not trying to convince myself of the contrary
HOWEVER
If Herman really wants to make the most successful jump from Houston, he has to go to Baton Rouge.
1) Defense
Texas Scoring Defense: 116th in the Nation
LSU Scoring Defense: 11th in Nation
Herman is one of the greatest offensive minds in CFB right now. If Charlie Strong can't put a formidable defense on the field what makes one think he can come in and fix the disaster that is UT's defense?
Meanwhile, LSU is continuing to improve a unit that is already one of the best defenses in the nation under the guidance of his college roommate Dave Aranda
2) Recruiting/Talent LSU simply has a better recruiting situation than Texas
Holding down Louisiana and the Southeast Texas areas, as well as, Florida is a much better situation than continually fighting TCU, A&M, Baylor, OU, and LSU for recruits in-state.
The talent LSU has at its disposal is enough to create a CFB dynasty
Which is why I am thinking more and more that if Tom Herman goes to Texas, he will have success. Just not at the same level if he were to go to LSU where he would win multiple titles
HOWEVER
If Herman really wants to make the most successful jump from Houston, he has to go to Baton Rouge.
1) Defense
Texas Scoring Defense: 116th in the Nation
LSU Scoring Defense: 11th in Nation
Herman is one of the greatest offensive minds in CFB right now. If Charlie Strong can't put a formidable defense on the field what makes one think he can come in and fix the disaster that is UT's defense?
Meanwhile, LSU is continuing to improve a unit that is already one of the best defenses in the nation under the guidance of his college roommate Dave Aranda
2) Recruiting/Talent LSU simply has a better recruiting situation than Texas
Holding down Louisiana and the Southeast Texas areas, as well as, Florida is a much better situation than continually fighting TCU, A&M, Baylor, OU, and LSU for recruits in-state.
The talent LSU has at its disposal is enough to create a CFB dynasty
Which is why I am thinking more and more that if Tom Herman goes to Texas, he will have success. Just not at the same level if he were to go to LSU where he would win multiple titles
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:41 am to OKtiger
A huge thing is the s.e.c. vs Big X12. Big 12 will only get a spot in the playoff's when the other four, who play a championship game, have a much worse resume. Baylor and TCU got shut out. They allowed OU in, they embarrassed themselves and confirmed what everyone thought previously. Simply not good enough.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:43 am to OKtiger
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Holding down Louisiana and the Southeast Texas areas, as well as, Florida is a much better situation than continually fighting TCU, A&M, Baylor, OU, and LSU for recruits in-state.
When Texas is back on top they don't fight those teams for Texas talent. They take who they want and the others fight for who's left.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:44 am to OKtiger
This is a battle we're not going to win folks. Our only shot is a Texas rally starting this weekend.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:45 am to OKtiger
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:53 am to OKtiger
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Holding down Louisiana and the Southeast Texas areas, as well as, Florida
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:55 am to BilJ
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This is a battle we're not going to win folks. Our only shot is a Texas rally starting this weekend.
It certainly won't be about money. People acting like LSU can't keep up with Texas are delusional. It will have to be a personal decision by Herman rather than a financial one.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:01 am to Aggie Fishfinder
If I'm Tom Herman, I'm looking at both jobs with skepticism. Both schools fired a very, very successful coach who had a ton of success and minimal failures. If Texas fires Charlie Strong, they probably look a little worse because it looks like they aren't even giving him 2.5 years to try to have some success.
Why would a coach like Tom Herman leave a place that he can make a ton of money for the next 15 years to go to a school that will fire him in 3 years if he hasn't won a championship. Or even worse, they might fire him in 10-15 years even if he has won a championship just because people get tired of him winning 8 games a year with an occasional great year thrown in.
In my mind, Texas firing Mack Brown was a total disaster. Namely because they didn't have a better coach (or even equal) lined up. And, LSU just made the same mistake (unless they have a better coach already lined up that they just can't announce yet).
As much confidence as Tom Herman has in his own abilities, these thoughts will cross his mind. He could jump to LSU or Texas and then not have a head coaching career in 3 years. I don't think him picking between the 2 is as clear cut as people are making it.
Why would a coach like Tom Herman leave a place that he can make a ton of money for the next 15 years to go to a school that will fire him in 3 years if he hasn't won a championship. Or even worse, they might fire him in 10-15 years even if he has won a championship just because people get tired of him winning 8 games a year with an occasional great year thrown in.
In my mind, Texas firing Mack Brown was a total disaster. Namely because they didn't have a better coach (or even equal) lined up. And, LSU just made the same mistake (unless they have a better coach already lined up that they just can't announce yet).
As much confidence as Tom Herman has in his own abilities, these thoughts will cross his mind. He could jump to LSU or Texas and then not have a head coaching career in 3 years. I don't think him picking between the 2 is as clear cut as people are making it.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:30 am to MightyYat
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It will have to be a personal decision by Herman rather than a financial one.
and all signs point to that personal decision being UT. Hey I'm not saying we don't try and make it a more difficult decision for him.....but
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:33 am to BilJ
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and all signs point to that personal decision being UT. Hey I'm not saying we don't try and make it a more difficult decision for him.....but
Yeah, that's the word, but that program has a lot more outside influences than LSU does. It all depends on what he wants to deal with.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:38 am to MightyYat
"Texas was dead serious about trying to money-whip Saban," Finebaum and Wojciechowski write. "Depending on whom you talk to -- Bama big hitters or Texas big hitters -- the Longhorns were prepared to give Saban somewhere between a $12 and $15 million signing bonus and a salary package worth $100 million (plus performances)."
I wouldnt underestimate the Horns if they make it a priority to land a certain HC.
I wouldnt underestimate the Horns if they make it a priority to land a certain HC.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:45 am to dbuchanon
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"Texas was dead serious about trying to money-whip Saban," Finebaum and Wojciechowski write. "Depending on whom you talk to -- Bama big hitters or Texas big hitters -- the Longhorns were prepared to give Saban somewhere between a $12 and $15 million signing bonus and a salary package worth $100 million (plus performances)."
I wouldnt underestimate the Horns if they make it a priority to land a certain HC.
If UT is willing to throw $100 million at Herman then God bless them. I would be pissed if LSU did some stupid shite like that.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:51 am to dbuchanon
That's Saban money. He's the closest thing to a sure bet if ever there was one in college football. All other coaches are huge steps down in the "sure thing" category. That includes Jimbo, Herman, Chip Kelly, etc.
The thing LSU has going for it is that Texas, believe it or not, is more screwed up from a politics/admin/liberal nonsense perspective than just about everyone else. Coaches know this.
The thing LSU has going for it is that Texas, believe it or not, is more screwed up from a politics/admin/liberal nonsense perspective than just about everyone else. Coaches know this.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:53 am to hashtag
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Both schools fired a very, very successful coach who had a ton of success and minimal failures
They didn't win the big games several years in a row. Miles offensive philosophy was losing us games we should win. We gave Miles a reprieve to change that philosophy. He didn't. Miles continuously lost big name games, and showed he was inept at using the players on his side of the ball to the fullest. He also showed to be a poor coach whenever the clock came into question.
Miles was doing this with a cupboard of NFL athletes and All-Americans. After 1 week, the offense looks reborn by showing how formations and match-ups should be used to run an offense.
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In my mind, Texas firing Mack Brown was a total disaster.
Mack was making them circle the toilet, and was losing all those big games handily. He was circling the bucket in recruiting as well.
Both of these coaches were fully justified in their firing.
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He could jump to LSU or Texas and then not have a head coaching career in 3 years.
If he can't be successful at LSU within 3 years with the talent and control he will have, then he won't be successful as a HC anywhere. This isn't like he's jumping into a hyena den like Texas, where his career could be on the line if he can't produce a miracle in 3 years from basically nothing, or even worse because of the booster situation.
I think you are overly skeptic of LSU for some reason. LSU has much more patient fan base and boosters.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:29 am to OKtiger
not disagreeing with you at all, but the defensive argument about Texas, though a valid one since Strong was a defensive coach, look at Houston's defensive ranking, with Houston players.......6th overall I think.
I doubt that plays into any decision making at all. If they want him, and he wants to go there, that is the only 2 things that matter, no matter what anyone else says.
I doubt that plays into any decision making at all. If they want him, and he wants to go there, that is the only 2 things that matter, no matter what anyone else says.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:37 am to hashtag
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Or even worse, they might fire him in 10-15 years even if he has won a championship just because people get tired of him winning 8 games a year with an occasional great year thrown in.
So if you win a title, you think you can put it on cruise control for the rest of your career? The offense was a joke under Miles and it was time. The program was trending down, just like UT was under Brown. Both needed to go.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:44 am to hashtag
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As much confidence as Tom Herman has in his own abilities, these thoughts will cross his mind. He could jump to LSU or Texas and then not have a head coaching career in 3 years. I don't think him picking between the 2 is as clear cut as people are making it.
Both situations are very transparent and understandable. Brown let his program degrade, and Strong hasn't delivered. Miles also let his program degrade in terms of execution, and was an annual trainwreck every November for the past 5 years. He had an understood mandate to change his ways, but his stubbornness and possible lack of intellect did him in.
At the risk of sounding cheesy and trite, great coaches don't care about the expectations. They aren't afraid of that, because they have huge egos and know they are going to deliver success. And the stress is a part of head coaching at any elite program. Plus, a couple of years at 5 million (and a well negotiated buyout) set them up financially for life, so they don't need to be risk averse in that respect. So I believe Herman doesn't worry about that as much as you think.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:45 am to OKtiger
Both LSU and Texas are great jobs. He can't really go wrong. Both are loaded with talent.
Herman probably has person criteria of which none of us have any idea.
I can only speak to the mindset of the big boosters and supporters of Texas. Texas is humiliated that we had to go with our 4th choice when we brought in Strong. This time, NO ONE will pay more to get the best available coach. It won't even be close.
Herman probably has person criteria of which none of us have any idea.
I can only speak to the mindset of the big boosters and supporters of Texas. Texas is humiliated that we had to go with our 4th choice when we brought in Strong. This time, NO ONE will pay more to get the best available coach. It won't even be close.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:50 am to OKtiger
Absolutely more immediate success at LSU. Maybe more long term success at UT once he turned it around.
I think it depends on if he wants to go next level to the NFL, then LSU is the better spring-board. But if he wants to stay in texas and retire an old man at UT, then thats the better choice.
I think it depends on if he wants to go next level to the NFL, then LSU is the better spring-board. But if he wants to stay in texas and retire an old man at UT, then thats the better choice.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 12:03 pm to hashtag
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Texas firing Mack Brown was a total disaster. Namely because they didn't have a better coach (or even equal) lined up. And, LSU just made the same mistake (unless they have a better coach already lined up that they just can't announce yet). As much confidence as Tom Herman has in his own abilities, these thoughts will cross his mind. He could jump to LSU or Texas and then not have a head coaching career in 3 years. I don't think him picking between the 2 is as clear cut as people are making it.
The real difference between Brown and Miles was Texas waited too long to fire Brown. LSU fortunately didn't make that mistake with Les.
Brown left a dumpster fire for the near future. Les left LSU stacked for the next coach to have immediate success.
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