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re: Frank Wilson reaction on the hires
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:58 am to BigEdLSU
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:58 am to BigEdLSU
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Swinney was feeling the heat and brought in a similar type of staff makeup.
swinney became full HC in 2009 and hired steele to attempt the "all recruiting, questionable coaching" staff
then he felt the heat due to defensive issues and fired steele and replaced him with an Xs and Os DC in veneabes
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
The "full recruiting" staff failed badly at Clemson.
I do think we have a much better group of position coaches and a team philosophy that will be more conducive to a quality defense. And more talent.
We'll see what happens, but this DC hire on paper is bad. Orgeron really helps the blow, but his energy and recruiting can only go so far with a bad game plan.
We will see though.
I do think we have a much better group of position coaches and a team philosophy that will be more conducive to a quality defense. And more talent.
We'll see what happens, but this DC hire on paper is bad. Orgeron really helps the blow, but his energy and recruiting can only go so far with a bad game plan.
We will see though.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
To me, its all relative.
They are better now than they were. That's all I'm hoping we get out of this.
They are better now than they were. That's all I'm hoping we get out of this.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:23 am to TheCaterpillar
oh i agree
somebody asked a rhetorical question when there was a concrete answer. it's just funny that there is an overlap, and it's steele
somebody asked a rhetorical question when there was a concrete answer. it's just funny that there is an overlap, and it's steele
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:45 am to TheCaterpillar
How good were we though? This entire ordeal makes me consider new things.
For one, we have had poor prioritization of needs, defensively. In 2012 we take 7 linebackers? Followed and proceeded by lackluster classes at the position. This year we need DL, and only had one committed?
Second, how much does our ball control offense help our defensive stats? Probably a lot.
Third, how complex was the scheme? It took chavis an average of three years to prepare linebackers.
For one, we have had poor prioritization of needs, defensively. In 2012 we take 7 linebackers? Followed and proceeded by lackluster classes at the position. This year we need DL, and only had one committed?
Second, how much does our ball control offense help our defensive stats? Probably a lot.
Third, how complex was the scheme? It took chavis an average of three years to prepare linebackers.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:49 am to BigEdLSU
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How good were we though? This entire ordeal makes me consider new things.
For one, we have had poor prioritization of needs, defensively. In 2012 we take 7 linebackers? Followed and proceeded by lackluster classes at the position. This year we need DL, and only had one committed?
I meant on-field coaching will be better with our position coaches than what Clemson had.
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Second, how much does our ball control offense help our defensive stats? Probably a lot.
Completely agree.
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Third, how complex was the scheme? It took chavis an average of three years to prepare linebackers.
Chavis, from what we have heard, had a very simple scheme. I'm not sure what kind of complexity is in Steele's.
I don't think we're arguing, I think we're agreeing, but I'm not positive
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:11 am to BigEdLSU
you said it big ed..
LSU almost always leads in TOP..for the same reason..aTm and AU will never be conference leaders in defense.
chavis ran a elementary defense..it was very simple..read and react. Our earlier defenses were much better.
also..we create no turnovers since cooper left. Our Dline gets zero pressure.
it will be interesting to see how steele uses personnel. I am guessing chavis had players out of position.
LSU almost always leads in TOP..for the same reason..aTm and AU will never be conference leaders in defense.
chavis ran a elementary defense..it was very simple..read and react. Our earlier defenses were much better.
also..we create no turnovers since cooper left. Our Dline gets zero pressure.
it will be interesting to see how steele uses personnel. I am guessing chavis had players out of position.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 6:12 am to dreaux
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I am guessing chavis had players out of position.
like whom?
chavis did run a pretty simple scheme that kept everything in front of guys and contained the edge, no doubt
it appears that steele runs a pressure-oriented system that is prone to give up big plays pretty often, so his scheme is a 180 from chavis in most respects. more sacks, more turnovers, more busted plays. but i don't see who is out of position (or was during chavis's tenure)
also that soft scheme did drive me nuts at times but it is the only D that consistently stops the HUNH in CFB. pressure schemes get WORKED by the spread-option HUNH (the offense is basically designed to stop pressure-based systems by using the option and the speed)
Posted on 1/16/15 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree with your points there, but what good is bragging about stomping aTm when you can't stop Arky? Chavis struggled for years with teams that lined up and ran it right at him. If anything is seems to me like the HUNH is being slowly figured out across the board, but that's just my opinion.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 9:13 am to ApexTiger
god my panties are soaked
Posted on 1/16/15 at 9:20 am to BigEdLSU
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For one, we have had poor prioritization of needs, defensively. In 2012 we take 7 linebackers? Followed and proceeded by lackluster classes at the position. This year we need DL, and only had one committed?
It's almost as if there was a lack of communication or direction in recruiting for defense. I don't know if that's on Chavis or Miles more. Maybe it's on Frank. Hopefully it gets cleaned up...too late for this year?
Posted on 1/16/15 at 9:41 am to BigEdLSU
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For one, we have had poor prioritization of needs, defensively. In 2012 we take 7 linebackers? Followed and proceeded by lackluster classes at the position. This year we need DL, and only had one committed?
here's one thing I've touched on, yes we've been recruiting well if you look at overall rankings, but the overall organization of it has been odd and has resulted in uneven classes. I think this is where Chief's overall detachment from the recruiting process really hurt. No overall plan from the top results in disorganization. Steele is supposed to be very good in this department.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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also that soft scheme did drive me nuts at times but it is the only D that consistently stops the HUNH in CFB. pressure schemes get WORKED by the spread-option HUN
has his success against A&M overrated him in this department? I think he more found a huge hole in Manziel's game rather than figured out the spread option.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 9:51 am to BilJ
Thought you got the ban hammer? Or just a timeout?
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 9:52 am
Posted on 1/16/15 at 10:02 am to MrWiseGuy
spent a day in the Football Ops building....
Kevin Steele is the greatest defensive mind in all of football and will change the way we view defense forever. All hail Les Miles
Kevin Steele is the greatest defensive mind in all of football and will change the way we view defense forever. All hail Les Miles
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