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re: Dooley sounds like Saban.....
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:11 am to southern man
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:11 am to southern man
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None of Tech's starters could make LSU's two-deep roster. Yet Tech, with a break or two, would have beaten LSU in '09. If you don't think Dooley out coached Miles in that game, you didn't watch it. Tennessee got a great coach and person. In 3 years, Meyer, will be in a rehab institution, Saban at his lake house, Spurrier on the golf course, and Miles and Richt somewhere else. Nutt tops out at 8-4 every year. Dooley wil be the king of the hill.
You are basing a man's entire future based on the way he played (and still lost) to the LSU 2009 team! It would at least have some merit had he been at ULM 2007 for the Bama upset.
Probably the only chance Tech every had at beating LSU for the foreseeable future and you are loading him with accolades for the moral victory.
You can still salvage this thread about Dooley if you make it about bashing Miles and Crowton.
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Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:42 am to CalTiger
Tennessee was also smart enough not to judge Dooley on whether he won (or lost) one particular game. Unlike you. The guy is a frickin lawyer, his wife is a doctor, he coached under Saban at LSU and in the NFL, and he has HC and AD experience. He's smart enough to hire good coaches, and don't you think he makes a good impression in the living room of recruits? And now he has a tradition-rich big state university to sell. Look out.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 9:45 am to southern man
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Tennessee was also smart enough not to judge Dooley on whether he won (or lost) one particular game. Unlike you.
Go back and read the post - his record doesn't shine (not yet). He has a bad WAC record ( with the same talent in his team that other WAC teams have).
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The guy is a frickin lawyer
Awesome if I need a frickin case to be won!. Success in one field doesn't translate to another field - especially when they are as disparate as athletics and courtroom equivocations.
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his wife is a doctor
I didn't get his appeal, till I read this nugget - Now I am convinced he is going to be a successful and great coach at Tennessee.
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he coached under Saban at LSU and in the NFL, and he has HC and AD experience.
Many others have coached under great coaches and NFL and bombed (easiest example - Fat Man Charlie Wonka @ ND comes to mind - Belichik, multiple SB rings, Tutored Brady, blah blah and blah....)
BTW I have nothing against Dooley - I never claimed that he won't succeed - merely that he has not done enough to prove that he can!
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He's smart enough to hire good coaches, and don't you think he makes a good impression in the living room of recruits?
Of all the places - in TD. Don't you know that all coaches can be thought to have made great hires only to have the fan base tear them apart -barely after the first game. Wait a year and see how his hires are before crowning him.
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And now he has a tradition-rich big state university to sell.
This is the only point I agree with
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Look out
meh... I will wait a year before laughing further or wondering in amazement at the predictions from the prognosticators here.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 9:53 am to CalTiger
Businesses that fight over the dollar in the door, and neglect how future dollars will be me made later on, don't last long. I may be wrong, but I think Tennessee wisely saw unusual upside in Dooley, regardless of his HC record. Muschamp and Saban recommended him for the job, just like Belichik (sp) recommended Saban to LSU evern though he didn't set the world on fire at Michigan State (didn't DiNardo beat Saban in a bowl game?).
Posted on 1/21/10 at 10:03 am to southern man
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Businesses that fight over the dollar in the door, and neglect how future dollars will be me made later on, don't last long. I may be wrong, but I think Tennessee wisely saw unusual upside in Dooley, regardless of his HC record.
Dooley was Tennessee's nth choice. For gossakes Cutcliffe (their ex OC twice over) rejected them for DUKE!
All the known good ones were taken - they had to hire someone and selected Dooley.
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Muschamp and Saban recommended him for the job, just like Belichik (sp) recommended Saban to LSU evern though he didn't set the world on fire at Michigan State (didn't DiNardo beat Saban in a bowl game?).
To make it seem like the hiring of Saban (from Michigan State, a known big time school in the Big10) is a bit naive (comparing BCS schools with WAC)- we have seen more failures when that route is taken than we have seen successes.
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I may be wrong
History and probability shows that there might be a high chance that you will be wrong. Which is why I am saying that we should wait a couple of years and see if Dooley can prove to be the exception to prove the rule before enrolling in his online fans club.
This post was edited on 1/21/10 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/21/10 at 10:13 am to CalTiger
Cutcliff, a known good one? Why, because Peyton Manning liked him? He's yesterday's news. Tennessee is looking down the road, admittedly like they did with Kiffin, with the important differences being that Dooley (a) knows the SEC, (b) is not a scumbag, and (c) is respected by successful colleagues in the profession. Good for Tennessee, and good for Dooley.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 10:18 am to southern man
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Cutcliff, a known good one?
Did you not notice the surprised tone that even Cutcliffe had rejected them. I said the good ones were taken. and even Cut had rejected them - so don't make it seem like they went through the coaching fraternity with a fine toothed comb and came up with Dooley.
Well anyway I have nothing more to add - we can agree to disagree in that I think Dooley is a crap shoot and you think that he is the next coming of Saban.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 1:11 pm to CalTiger
I actually think Cutcliff is a good coach, but he's older and has had health problems. I think most people were not surprised that he passed on the job--he can live a nice life at Duke without as much pressure. Time for Tennessee to look down the road, and they did.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:15 pm to moneyg
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The problem with Dooley is that he doesn't bring with him the defensive expertise that a "student of Saban" would normally bring.
He was an offensive assistant and doens't have an above average grasp of Xs and Os. So, his fate will always be tied to his coaching staff.
Saban has a certain philosophy and the knowledge and experience to implement it. Dooley is a CEO type coach and will only succeed if he can bring great coordinators in. That's why I never see him having huge success.
+1000
Saban is to the Ventriloquist as Dooley is to the Wooden Doll.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 10:50 pm to southern man
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he coached under Saban at LSU
He's a Saban protege that doesn't know anything about running Saban's defense.
And, his greatest achievement was staying close against LSU in a game where LSU CLEARLY was trying to get the passing game going with Lee since Jefferson was questionable for the next SEC game.
The guy is a sub .500 coach at La Tech and couldn't get over the hump in the freaking WAC. I think it's a bit premature to call him a great coach. He's going to be average over the long run, IMO.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 11:44 pm to moneyg
DOOLEY is over his head.
Posted on 1/22/10 at 5:59 pm to Big Fat
I guess Dooley is still working on duplicating Saban's won/loss record, got to at least get over .500, hopefully it happens for him in his next job after Tenn runs him off. 
Posted on 1/22/10 at 6:37 pm to Big Fat
Dooley's a lot more personable than Saban, but honestly at coaching dinners I've seen Dooley leave quick and Miles sat down with me and a few coaches at a table and shot the shite for about an hour.
Posted on 1/22/10 at 11:25 pm to SteveLSU35
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Miles sat down with me and a few coaches at a table and shot the shite for about an hour.
Just a little thread hijack and I apologize for it.
Did you guys talk about coaching? Was it generic or anything in particular? I am curious because I have never had the opportunity to meet the man and would like an unbiased first hand opinion.
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