re: DeBoer will be the guy

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You’d think he’d wait to see if Harbaugh bolts. Seems a better fit in Ann Arbor

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best fit for him would be seahawks

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He's had more success at Washington than Sark did when he was there.

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How much success does he have without a 5th year senior transfer who was also able to play a 6th year because of COVID? Their defense was dreadful.

His recruiting class this year is ranked #37. Last year it was #26. It was in the 90s his first year but I won't hold that against him.

The years before he got there it was #30, #16, #15, #16, #22, #29, #26. So, he's actually been worse than his predecessors on that end.

Add to that, if you've watched Washington play this season, his game management leaves a lot to be desired, and they found themselves in dog fights with several program that had no business being in competitive games with him. Having an elite QB transfer covered up a lot of his warts.

And he flat out has so little experience coaching period that it seems like way too risky a hire for Alabama to make to take over for Saban.

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And he flat out has so little experience coaching period

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You lost me here.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Alabama hires Deboer and he's a complete failure, but the dude is a flat out stud of a coach. He's won at every level from NAIA, to G5 to P5. The idea that he can't coach or recruit or is inexperienced is moronic.

He's probably about to interview for the Seahawks job.

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just that he has very little experience at this level,

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He has vastly more experience than Lanning, who was probably the top candidate. Plus has beaten him 3 times in a row.

And recruiting rankings are a means to an end. They are not the end. The only thing that matters is on-field performance.

You don't win awards for recruiting rankings. He's obviously recruited, and developed, well enough for success on the field.

And you're complaining that he's not a good recruiter, while also saying his success should be downplayed because he had a great QB - that he recruited and developed (at Indiana, where he was OC, and then at Washington when he transferred)

You can't have it both ways.

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You can't have it both ways.

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Can't have what both ways? So he recruited a 3 star guy that was dropped by Tennessee after committing and that makes him a good recruiter because he turned out to be good?

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You don't win awards for recruiting rankings. He's obviously recruited, and developed, well enough for success on the field.

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If you think he can fail to recruit well in the SEC and sustain success at the level Alabama will expect, you are certainly entitled to that opinion.

It's a completely different world when you are coaching a program like that and in a conference like this, but you already knew that. You cannot consistently win in this conference without elite recruiting.

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He has vastly more experience than Lanning, who was probably the top candidate.

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And I thought Lanning was a reach too. The only thing he had going for him was experience in this conference at both Alabama and Georgia. Without that, I don't think he even gets a phone call from Alabama

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If you think he can fail to recruit well in the SEC and sustain success at the level Alabama will expect, you are certainly entitled to that opinion.

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I never said that. The point is that he is recruiting well enough to dominate the conference he is in now. Why would you assume he wouldn't raise that level to meet whatever challenge comes next?

Do you think Brian Kelly recruited the same level at Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, Cincinnati, Notre Dame and now LSU?

Good coaches adapt. There is zero reason to think that DeBoer could not do the same. It's not like he wouldn't have an entire staff, just like Saban does now.

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Lanning has taken the top players out of WA since he’s been there and that won’t stop.

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Lanning went from top ten to top 5 in his two years.

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but that run is over

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LOL

Lanning is 0-3 against DeBoer. So, congrats I guess.

Are we at the point where we are overlooking on-field success for mythical recruiting titles?

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Why would you assume he wouldn't raise that level to meet whatever challenge comes next?

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Because he hasn't raised his recruiting from where Washington was prior. People said the same shite about Mike Leach and he never did at State in the recruiting world. Why would you assume his recruiting will get better?

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Do you think Brian Kelly recruited the same level at Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, Cincinnati, Notre Dame and now LSU?

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I compared what DeBoer's programs looked like recruiting wise before he got there and compared them to what he did once he got there. His actually got worse. Did Kelly's get worse from where Cincinati/Notre Dame were prior to where they were once he was there?

Let me help you

Cincinnati:
2002 99
2003 92
2004 80
2005 94

enter Brian Kelly
2007 89
2008 67
2009 60

So it looks like Cincinnati went from towards the bottom of D1 football to the middle in short order while Kelly was there

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There is zero reason to think that DeBoer could not do the same. It's not like he wouldn't have an entire staff, just like Saban does now.

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Seems like you're assuming just like I am but trying to pretend you're not and without any evidence to support your conclusion except "why wouldn't he." At least I'm looking at actual data to support my opinion.

Besides a really good record at Washington, in a weak conf, his experience and prior stops is meh. He wouldn’t fit in at Bama imo.