- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Crowton wasn't the problem
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:55 pm to TheFinalWord
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:55 pm to TheFinalWord
CALL THE GAME YOUR ATHLETES CAN EXECUTE, NOT THE ONE YOU WISH THEY COULD.
1
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:58 pm to Chazz Reinhold
quote:Since most of the better OCs are great developers of QBs, I have to disagree. Mark Richt, Jimbo Fisher, David Cutcliffe, Bobby Petrino, Gus Malzahn come to mind.
We should have a QB coach as well though. Never combine them
quote:Who do you blame for:
I don't blame Crowton as an OC
1) running the option when Lee was in the game?
2) substituting on the goalline in the Tenn game?
3) low ranked offenses: 86th in 2010, 112th in 2009, 55th in 2008?
4) lack of development on any of our QBs? especially when he's the QB coach.
quote:Again, running the read option with Lee in the game is NOT running a different system.
You saw it this year with Lee. Minus a few times where we wanted to establish a running game, when he played, it was a different system
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:59 pm to TheFinalWord
quote:
Gary Crowton always called a decent game, in my opinion---but he was limited by the quarterback's inability to execute the offense.
The real problems that need to be addressed are the quarterback and the offensive line. The team needs a good developer of quarterbacks, and better technique is needed in the offensive line (on a consistent basis).
Crowton could make offensive adjustments, but they didn't show because of the lack of execution.
We might also want to look at the wide receivers coach---I noticed a difficulty of our receivers getting open at times.
WTF?!?!?!
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:59 pm to TheFinalWord
Isnt the offensive coordinator supposed to be pretty good a coaching quarterbacks? Hell if JJ was taught correctly then he wouldnt hold the ball for 5 seconds. An NFL line couldnt stop ULL players when the quarterback doesnt move around in the pocket and stands there for 5,6.7 seconds.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:03 pm to mtnhighTiger
Doesn't matter who's fault it was.
The offense is his job. It declined for 3 yrs. This means you are moving on. Doesn't matter if the QB play added to it...its his job to fix it.
My problem with the Crowton years is identity. Our offense didn't have one.
I care more about that then who the new OC will be. We need to decide what we will be and then go full force that direction. Stop trying to be a smashmouth, playaction, 4 wide-out, option running, zone-read team. It doesn't work. Defense don't have to "prepare for more". They just sit back and wait for us to screw up.
The offense is his job. It declined for 3 yrs. This means you are moving on. Doesn't matter if the QB play added to it...its his job to fix it.
My problem with the Crowton years is identity. Our offense didn't have one.
I care more about that then who the new OC will be. We need to decide what we will be and then go full force that direction. Stop trying to be a smashmouth, playaction, 4 wide-out, option running, zone-read team. It doesn't work. Defense don't have to "prepare for more". They just sit back and wait for us to screw up.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:12 pm to TheFinalWord
quote:
TheFinalWord
fan of the option I see
you're a first
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:16 pm to TheFinalWord
quote:It's Gary's job to develop the QB.
Gary Crowton always called a decent game, in my opinion---but he was limited by the quarterback's inability to execute the offense.
quote:Irony.
The team needs a good developer of quarterbacks
quote:Excuses. Make the scheme fit your talent, not the talent fit your scheme.
Crowton could make offensive adjustments, but they didn't show because of the lack of execution.
quote:Fail. Gary was putting the WR's on the field.
We might also want to look at the wide receivers coach---I noticed a difficulty of our receivers getting open at times.
Your post shows a real lack of serious thought and research.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:19 pm to TheFinalWord
I agree, Crowton was not the problem.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:31 pm to TheFinalWord
quote:
The real problems that need to be addressed are the quarterback and the offensive line
The bottom line is that he didn't have the personnel to run the offense he was trying to run. A good OC would have adjusted his offense to fit his players.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:33 pm to TheFinalWord
quote:
Gary Crowton always called a decent game, in my opinion
why did he suck (after year 1) at BYU and Oregon?
quote:
The team needs a good developer of quarterbacks
crowton required that he coach QBs, so this is a problem crowton created
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:34 pm to TN Bhoy
Here's a shocking thought: Maybe JJ just isn't as good as some people think he is.
Granted, it was Crowton's fault too. But maybe JJ just couldn't learn.
just my $0.02
Granted, it was Crowton's fault too. But maybe JJ just couldn't learn.
just my $0.02
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:38 pm to TheFinalWord
Crowton never consistently put his quarterbacks in a good position for them to succeed.
He was the problem.
He was the problem.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:39 pm to derekinne
If you read the interview with Crowton, he stated that he always tried to use Miles system. In a round about way and not trying to be obvious, he blamed Miles for his failures. Read the article posted by dandydon. I'm glad he is gone.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:42 pm to derekinne
quote:
Here's a shocking thought: Maybe JJ just isn't as good as some people think he is.
Granted, it was Crowton's fault too. But maybe JJ just couldn't learn.
just my $0.02
So you are telling me that among JJ, Lee, and Shep, Crowton couldn't groom a game-manager QB from there?
JJ has strengths as a QB. He can actually run well in space. He throws well on the run. And we saw in the bowl game, he can hit the PA pass and showed some touch on the fade to TT. On the open side of the field, he actually made some great reads on the option. The guy isn't as terrible as everyone says he is when the calls are made that play to his strengths.
Crowton was TERRIBLE at playing to our guys' strengths. He was notorious for backing away from successful plays -- probably out of fear of being too predictable, he actually created a second problem (and a third one) -- the second one was that we became predictable in another way: we would run only one or two plays out of certain sets, so defenses (and fans) always knew what was going to come. Too many sets with too few options out of each one = predictable. Further, the third problem was that too many players were in too many different formations, and this complicated the substitutions for our offense. Ever notice how many times we came out of a timeout and still looked lost? That's not the HC there, that's the play calling. Too much confusion, no identity.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:43 pm to ccomeaux
quote:
He wasn't the answer either.
If you remember what the Oregon fans had to say about him when we hired him, he shouldn't have been the question, either.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:43 pm to TheFinalWord
quote:
The team needs a good developer of quarterbacks, and better technique is needed in the offensive line
Crowtons not free from blame either
BTW I wish Stud would go with him
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:44 pm to Guava Jelly
quote:
CALL THE GAME YOUR ATHLETES CAN EXECUTE, NOT THE ONE YOU WISH THEY COULD.
you never fail to deliver just god awful posts.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:45 pm to TheFinalWord
Sorry man...you arent always going to have a stead at the QB position
When you dont you need to develop an offense that works best with what you have, not having a matt flynn is not an excuse to have the 112 ranked offense...there are no reasonable excuses for that at this level of football
When you dont you need to develop an offense that works best with what you have, not having a matt flynn is not an excuse to have the 112 ranked offense...there are no reasonable excuses for that at this level of football
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:49 pm to derekinne
quote:
Here's a shocking thought: Maybe JJ just isn't as good as some people think he is.
Granted, it was Crowton's fault too. But maybe JJ just couldn't learn.
just my $0.02
JJ isn't the only QB at LSU.
QBs at LSU under Crowton (developed):
Jarrett Lee - 4*
Jordan Jefferson - 4*
Chris Garrett - 3*
Russell Shepard - 5*
We also had Hatch for a year.
5 QBs and Crowton couldn't find 1 that worked?
Why did Crowton run the read option with Lee? It certainly didn't fit to his strengths.
Why did LSU recruit QBs with different strengths? Drop back like Garrett, Zach Lee, Jarrett Lee; Mobile like Jefferson, Shepard. I don't believe for a second that Crowton wasn't involved in these decisions.
Let's look at the QBs under Jimbo Fisher (developed):
Matt Flynn - 4*
JaMarcus Russell - 4*
Ryan Perrilloux - 5*
Lester Ricard Jr. - 4*
Matt Mauck
Josh Booty
Rohan Davey
5 of out 7 were outstanding. See a difference?
This post was edited on 1/13/11 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 1/13/11 at 1:53 pm to ccomeaux
quote:
"It's a very emotional time for me, very hard," Crowton said. "I just felt he (Edsall) was a good friend. Randy is a defensive coach by trade and wanted me to come in and install the whole offense, my terminology and everything, and do it the way I've done it in the past in some other places. I thought it would be a great challenge."
Crowton's words... how much control did he have ????
Page 3 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News