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re: Can someone explain Helfrich to me
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:11 pm to south bama tiger
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:11 pm to south bama tiger
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Based upon his history at previous schools, he's an underwhelming hire.
Did you actually read up on him, or do i have to post his OC career to prove that your statement is incorrect?
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:12 pm to 0
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So he doesn't get any credit for the offenses when Chip was the head coach but also doesn't get any credit when he was the head coach?
No, he doesn't. Kelly spent his entire career on the sidelines with a play sheet calling plays. Then Frost became the OC and play caller after Kelly.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:18 pm to jrodLSUke
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Where they in the top 20 in total offense because Helfrich is such a great play caller, or where they a 4-8 team playing from behind all year?
There are a lot of bad teams that play from behind a lot. Not many are in the top 20 in total offense.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:19 pm to jrodLSUke
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No, he doesn't. Kelly spent his entire career on the sidelines with a play sheet calling plays. Then Frost became the OC and play caller after Kelly.
A quick google image search shows Helfrich also carries a play sheet.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:28 pm to 0
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Scott Frost left at the end of last season and they are in the top 20 of total offense this season.
Under Kelly, and with Frost as OC afterwards, OU was in top 5 offense average. Frost left, and they dropped to 20. Since Kelly designed the plays, and called the plays..and afterwards they used same plays with Frost calling them..having them slip to 20 after Kelly and Frost left is not promising. He's not a sure-fire hire...there is some vagueness there regarding his ability to design, plan, and call an offense.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:29 pm to 0
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A quick google image search shows Helfrich also carries a play sheet.
I posted a quote from Darron Thomas that said, unquestionably, that Kelly called the plays.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:29 pm to 0
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A quick google image search shows Helfrich also carries a play sheet.
Found a couple links that say chip called most if not all the plays.
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Will Helfrich call the plays himself like his predecessor Chip Kelly did?
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During Helfrich's four seasons as Oregon's offensive coordinator the offense produced tremendous success, ranked highly nationally in several offensive categories and became well known for their extremely fast-paced offense built around speed. Although Chip Kelly called the plays on offense, Helfrich still played an integral role in Oregon's system.[14] He had a large amount of involvement in the game planning, scripting, and coaching on a weekly basis while having a high amount of input in what plays are called and why they are called.[15]
So, it appears chip kelly was calling most of the plays with heavy input from Helfrich.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:30 pm to 0
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“Coach Kelly’s an on-the-field guy,” Thomas says. “Coach Helfrich is a book kind of guy. We could ask him about any position, anything about it. Coach Kelly would call the plays in the game, but Coach Helfrich would make up all the play sheets in practice.”
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:30 pm to Tiger Tracker
He's got a really great reputation amongst coaches. Worked with Dirk Koetter and was coveted by Mike Belotti, who has a good eye for O coaches: Koetter, Kelly, Petersen and so on.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:32 pm to philter
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I posted a quote from Darron Thomas that said, unquestionably, that Kelly called the plays.
I never argued that he did. In fact the first post I made summarized the links posted so far.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:35 pm to philter
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He's not a sure-fire hire...there is some vagueness there regarding his ability to design, plan, and call an offense.
That's where my concerns lie as well. I am not sold on him and so far, no one has been able to convince me otherwise.
I keep asking "outside of the Kelly era, what has Helfrich done to prove he is a top flight OC/playcaller?" I keep getting references to when he was a QB Coach and the Chip Kelly era.
Did he call the plays at AZ or Boise? I don't know, but he wasnt OC.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:39 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Ultimately, has he done anything impressive outside of Chip Kelly? If not, that's a big red flag to me.
You mean like go to the National Championship game and and have the #1 offense in the country?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:39 pm to OBUDan
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He's got a really great reputation amongst coaches
So does Les Miles and Coach O. Does that make them the best choices to be LSU HC?
I get your point, but it doesn't answer my question. What has he done as a playcaller/OC outside of the Kelly era at Oregon?
Why is he better than the other options being tossed around on the board? Why is he even the 2nd best option? I can't see it. I was hoping someone could show me what i missed in his OC/playcalling career. I haven't seen any substantial information brought forth yet.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:40 pm to Tiger Tracker
He's a good manager of operations as an OC. Gameplaning, drawing plays. Basically an assistant to an offense friendly HC (like he was to Chip Kelly). IMO he was terrible as a HC. I don't care if the numbers were better on paper with him vs Chip. The execution was sloppy and the playcalling (I know he didn't call the plays) was terrible.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:40 pm to 0
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Scott Frost left at the end of last season and they are in the top 20 of total offense this season.
Jimbo Fisher left LSU and Crowton set the scoring record the next year.
I'm not doubting that Oregon had great offenses while Helfrich was there, I'm just not sure that he is a good playcaller.
Plus, I'd rather not hire another unemployed OC that just got fired. Seems that didn't work last time.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Tracker
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yeah i did follow him
LOL no you didn't please tell me how you followed him?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:50 pm to ssgtiger
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You mean like go to the National Championship game and and have the #1 offense in the country?
That is impressive, but how much of that credit goes to Helfrich? I am legitimately asking. People are noting Scott Frost calling the plays, and Helfrich also having Mariotta was a huge plus for him. He obviously developed Mariotta and gets great credit for that.
I am still not sold that the NC run was because of his offensive genius and playcalling. Could you provide me with some links on this?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:51 pm to 0
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According to Oregon fans Helfrich was the one who actually gameplanned and put together the playbook week in and week out. He also helped call plays with Chip getting the final say so.
Yes, he put together the playbook, but how is he with binders??
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:56 pm to ssgtiger
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LOL no you didn't please tell me how you followed him?
OK. I went back and looked at his offenses at his prior stops, watched him as OC at pitt, went back and watched several pieces of film when he was OC at his prior stops.
Is that hard to believe that someone actually researched and went back and watched his playcalling? I don't understand why you are saying i never bothered to follow him. Does researching and watching his playcalling not count as following him?
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