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re: Can someone explain Helfrich to me
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:06 pm to theducks
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:06 pm to theducks
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He's a good manager of operations as an OC. Gameplaning, drawing plays. Basically an assistant to an offense friendly HC (like he was to Chip Kelly).
In your opinion, how would he fair with a guy like Orgeron as HC? A defensive minded coach who will rely heavily on his OC to make the right in game calls?
You're a ducks fan. Am i way off base in my questioning of him? I can't seem to get anyone to tell me what he has done outside of the Chip era that was impressive. Do you know if Frost called the plays while Helfrich was HC? If so, can you provide a link please.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:18 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Ultimately, has he done anything impressive outside of Chip Kelly? If not, that's a big red flag to me.
He took a team to the National Championship game. Chip Kelly wasn't in his headset during that run believe it or not
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:42 pm to OKtiger
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He took a team to the National Championship game. Chip Kelly wasn't in his headset during that run believe it or not
Yes someone mentioned that above. That's definitely a plus for sure. It was brought in to question, however, if Frost was the play caller or Helfrich. I don't know who was to be honest. Do you have any links which indicate if helfrich or frost called the plays?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:06 pm to Tiger Tracker
So all we have is a playoff appearance where we aren't sure if he was the actual play caller to go on here?
Also he is great with QB development, which is something we need.
Overall, seems odd he remains in the top of the list for many people. I know he was young, but does anyone know if he did anything impressive at Colorado as OC? Im trying to get a picture of this guy's playcalling/gameplanning outside the Oregon landscape.
Also he is great with QB development, which is something we need.
Overall, seems odd he remains in the top of the list for many people. I know he was young, but does anyone know if he did anything impressive at Colorado as OC? Im trying to get a picture of this guy's playcalling/gameplanning outside the Oregon landscape.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:34 pm to Tiger Tracker
No concrete evidence that he's ever led Oregon calling plays during their successful run. He said so himself.
If he was so great, why did he fall off so many slots after Frost? I know #20 offense is great, but it fell about 12 places after they lost Frost. Imagine how much further they'll fall next year had they kept him.
He seems to have ridden other's coattails to success. SO he "developed" QB's. So has Frank Scelfo over the years who's down at UTSA with Frank Wilson.
If he was so great, why did he fall off so many slots after Frost? I know #20 offense is great, but it fell about 12 places after they lost Frost. Imagine how much further they'll fall next year had they kept him.
He seems to have ridden other's coattails to success. SO he "developed" QB's. So has Frank Scelfo over the years who's down at UTSA with Frank Wilson.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:40 pm to Tiger Tracker
Seriously a question was asked and he answered every place he has been his offense set records. Instead of asking a question just say I don't like him and I'll bitch if he gets the job cause that's what it sounds like.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:48 pm to Tiger Tracker
Sounds like you already had your opinion before you even started the thread. Instead of asking the same question constantly every post why not research him like you did Canada?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:55 pm to Mikethegreat
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Seriously a question was asked and he answered every place he has been his offense set records. Instead of asking a question just say I don't like him and I'll bitch if he gets the job cause that's what it sounds like.
No shite. OP is too big a bitch to just come out and say what he wants. Instead he starts this pathetic passive-aggressive thread and dismisses any and all posts that don't support the conclusion he's already come to. What a pussy
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:55 pm to Mikethegreat
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Seriously a question was asked and he answered every place he has been his offense set records
The issue is he was only OC at Colorado and Oregon. So saying "his offense" when he was only the QB coach is very misleading. That's why i said he is a great qb coach, which is a plus.
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Instead of asking a question just say I don't like him and I'll bitch if he gets the job cause that's what it sounds like.
I am indifferent to him, honestly. I am asking questions because i would like to find out what i am missing that skyrockets him to one of the top OCs to get. If you don't like the questions or the thread you don't have to read it, or type a post bitching about it.
His two OC stints have been at CO and Oregon. We discussed Oregon, and it appears he has rarely been the play caller there, even as HC. At least no one has provided information to the contrary.
No one is mentioning Colorado. How was he there? Did he set records there? I don't know i tried to google it, but didn't find many articles on his time at CO. Wiki was the best link i could find with this:
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In 2006, Helfrich joined the Colorado staff to become the youngest offensive coordinator in college football on the BCS level at the age of 32.[12] His three seasons at Colorado were a challenge as he developed the Buffaloes dismal offense into a modest improvement.[11] Despite the offense struggling and being poorly ranked nationally, Helfrich was on Oregon's radar after the 2008 season.
I would like someone who knows about him to tell me why he is so great. I just haven't seen a clear indication of it. Kiffin and Canada were both very successful as coordinators at various schools. Helfrich make me nervous because outside of Oregon i have no clue if he would succeed.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:56 pm to Tiger Tracker
The name Helfrich is German.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:59 pm to Zchlsu
I did. See my post LINK
I dont get why everyone is getting so whiny over a question. I am indifferent on the guy, tbh. He seems exciting, but also unproven outside of Oregon, which chip kelly/frost seemed to run the in-game play calling.
I dont get why everyone is getting so whiny over a question. I am indifferent on the guy, tbh. He seems exciting, but also unproven outside of Oregon, which chip kelly/frost seemed to run the in-game play calling.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:00 pm to Hot Carl
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No shite. OP is too big a bitch to just come out and say what he wants. Instead he starts this pathetic passive-aggressive thread and dismisses any and all posts that don't support the conclusion he's already come to. What a pussy
Could you tell me, specifically, what i have ignored to get to my own conclusions here?
Eta: can you tell me what my conclusions are? I have said several times i am not yet sold on the guy, but was hoping someone could provide me with something i missed.
So far we have:
1) Great QB coach at AZ and Boise, but didn't actually run the offense, that i am aware of.
2) Colorado...still silent on that. I haven't got a response on it yet. Like i said wiki was honestly the best link on his time there.
3) Oregon, offense set records, went to a natty, but it is questionable how much in-game play calling he did. Several others make it sound like he was a great planner, but maybe not the best on execution on field.
I don't really know what else to tell you. If these questions/comments/discussion make me a "butch" or "bitch" as you so eloquently stated then so be it.
If you could actually provide useful information i would appreciate it.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:47 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I understand he worked with Mariota, in the Kelly era. Outside of his time with Kelly, what has he done of note?
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Go Track the dates Tiger Tracker. Kelly was there Mariota's first two years. The two that Mariota hit it out of the park [and won the Heisman] were when Helfrich was his head coach.
So who gets the credit for that? All Kelly and All Frost, but pay the big bucks to Helfrich? And then why not hire back Frost if he was the mastermind of all things offense in Mariota's two glory years?
Perhaps Zach Mettenberger can do LSU some help by reaching out to Mariota and find out what impact Helfrich had on Mariota. Unless Mettenberger has an axe to grind against Mariota for taking his job, it could be good for Mett's alma mater and good for Helfrich [if Mariota has complimentary things to say about his former head coach].
I understand he worked with Mariota, in the Kelly era. Outside of his time with Kelly, what has he done of note?
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Go Track the dates Tiger Tracker. Kelly was there Mariota's first two years. The two that Mariota hit it out of the park [and won the Heisman] were when Helfrich was his head coach.
So who gets the credit for that? All Kelly and All Frost, but pay the big bucks to Helfrich? And then why not hire back Frost if he was the mastermind of all things offense in Mariota's two glory years?
Perhaps Zach Mettenberger can do LSU some help by reaching out to Mariota and find out what impact Helfrich had on Mariota. Unless Mettenberger has an axe to grind against Mariota for taking his job, it could be good for Mett's alma mater and good for Helfrich [if Mariota has complimentary things to say about his former head coach].
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:54 pm to LuzianaFootball
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If he was so great, why did he fall off so many slots after Frost? I know #20 offense is great, but it fell about 12 places after they lost Frost. Imagine how much further they'll fall next year had they kept him.
Just to reiterate things that have already been posted, this year they were led by a freshman qb and their oline and skill positions were hit hard with injuries. Factor those things in and they were ranked 20th. If that's not an indicator of a successful system to you then I don't know what to tell you.
There is no proof he has had a large part of the play calling but he doesn't walk around with a spread sheet for looks. Chip Kelly was one of the best and most innovative offensive coaches in the history of football and he trusted Helfrich to game plan and put together his playbook for him. That indicates a level of offensive skill and knowledge that LSU has never had.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:59 pm to Woodman
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Go Track the dates Tiger Tracker. Kelly was there Mariota's first two years. The two that Mariota hit it out of the park [and won the Heisman] were when Helfrich was his head coach.
So who gets the credit for that? All Kelly and All Frost, but pay the big bucks to Helfrich? And then why not hire back Frost if he was the mastermind of all things offense in Mariota's two glory years?
Sorry i don't think i was very clear on that. I meant Helfrich's time outside of the Kelly era what did he do of note. We established he took OU to a Natty, but then never cleared up if he was calling the offense or not.
I definitely do (and did in this thread) give Helfrich credit for being an awesome QB coach. He developed Mariotta throughout his entire career at Oregon.
I never said Frost was the mastermind behind Mariotta. I said i didn't know if he or Frost were calling the plays in game.
I was trying to get an overview of how he would actually be as a play caller. People were saying he didn't call plays in game (kelly/frost did), but he was great at scheming against teams.
With O letting his coaches coach, i think it's important to have a complete OC, and i wasn't sold Helfrich is one.
The play calling part is still concerning to me. I would really like some clarification on it. That's why i was curious about his time at CO.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:02 pm to Tiger Tracker
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No one is mentioning Colorado. How was he there? Did he set records there? I don't know i tried to google it, but didn't find many articles on his time at CO.
I skimmed their offensive numbers at work earlier. They had some improvement in Helfrich's second season, but nothing particularly good.
Now, CU's problems as a program under Hawkins have been well documented, so judging Helfrich solely by the stats is probably unfair. My hunch is Hawk was calling most plays.
However, Helfrich claimed to have called plays when he was the passing game coordinator at Arizona State and Belotti tried hiring him at Oregon before Chip did, so he must have shown something that people liked.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:04 pm to 0
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There is no proof he has had a large part of the play calling but he doesn't walk around with a spread sheet for looks.
you know oregon football is all about fashion! quote:
Chip Kelly was one of the best and most innovative offensive coaches in the history of football and he trusted Helfrich to game plan and put together his playbook for him. That indicates a level of offensive skill and knowledge that LSU has never had.
Great point. If he came to LSU i dont think he would fall flat on his face. I mean it wont be hard to improve our offense. I am just skeptical on the play calling side, and was curious why everyone so sold on him as 2nd best or the best.
Thank you for giving this reply and summary. I think it's a pretty good overview of what was discussed.
I wouldn't be bummed if he got hired. I would be cautiously excited, i guess.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:07 pm to nvasil1
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However, Helfrich claimed to have called plays when he was the passing game coordinator at Arizona State and Belotti tried hiring him at Oregon before Chip did, so he must have shown something that people liked.
Oh sweet! Thanks for posting the CO stuff. That's actually really promising then. I could see why people are getting pumped for him then.
I saw that Oregon wanted him before chip which caught me by surprise, so he likely did call some plays at AZ. Alright, im starting to warm up to this guy more and more now.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:26 pm to Tiger Tracker
Sure thing...it took some digging I wasn't expecting to do today.
Here's one of the articles I found after Chip hired Helfrich.
LINK
I can understand the questions you and others have about him, but he appears to be well-liked and well-respected. The last part of the quote also caught my attention because it tells me he's capable of running an offense other than Oregon's. That knowledge base could allow him to tailor the offense to fit his personnel, like Kiffin gets credit for.
Here's one of the articles I found after Chip hired Helfrich.
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“If he wants me to coordinate the postgame meal, it’ll be a darn good postgame meal. And if he wants me to call plays against USC, I’ve done that, too.”
Helfrich has had limited experience in the spread system Oregon runs under Kelly. But, he said, “that’s not something that I see as a huge learning curve-type situation.”
LINK
I can understand the questions you and others have about him, but he appears to be well-liked and well-respected. The last part of the quote also caught my attention because it tells me he's capable of running an offense other than Oregon's. That knowledge base could allow him to tailor the offense to fit his personnel, like Kiffin gets credit for.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:32 pm to nvasil1
Again, thank you for taking the time to help educate/inform me with some links. I just couldn't get much to come up on him outside of Kelly and Oregon.
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