re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

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That page wins whatever internets were left after my winnings for this thread

Hot Damn I literally JUST finished the epilogue of ADWD.

But now I have to wait YEARS for the next book.

I've been dying to come back and read this thread. I know some of this may already be covered, but I have to post my initial impressions right away before going back and reading the 80+ pages of all kinds of shite I've never considered

First, the OPs question about the hooded man. Interesting thought about being Theon himself, but doesn't the raven from Ramsey to Jon basically say that it's Mance?

It makes perfect sense. He was sent to find Arya, and had women with him. Plus, how else would Ramsey know that Mance was still alive anyway unless he was there?? Part of me thinks Ramsey is lying and he lost Winterfell, but somehow found out about Mance being the singer, likely by capturing one of the women and flaying her till she talked.

But what has been bothering me for 2000 pages, since the damn Prologue of FFC, that I'm hoping MTVB can shed light on, is who was the hooded man in Oldtown, and what did he trick Pate into stealing for him before killing him???

Been driving me crazy and pisses me off it hasn't been addresed unless I just missed it??? The whole long arse prologue was about this damn Pate who dies at the end of the chapter, but we still don't have any more information on what he took from the maesters lockbox or who eventually killed him and took it from him.

That is weak. Can any of you experts address this for me??

Also, why exactly did the Watch feel that they had to do what they did to Jon?? He specifically made it so that no brothers had to break their oaths. Was it because they felt he was a deserter and his punishment had to be death?? I just don't think Edd and the others would jump to such a drastic measure before he even actually did anything. What am I missing about their motivations/intentions??

Can't wait to read responses and this question and also go back and read the whole thread.

And Barristan Selmy

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Oh shite. Jaquen never even occurred to me!! frick that is awesome!!

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Yep matches the new face he showed Arya almost perfectly.

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But do we have any idea what he would want in the citadel yet??

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Oh we try to formulate ideas regarding the Faceless Men's motives yet all we can really come up with are..... Dragons.

We pretty much know that a Faceless Man killed Balon Greyjoy at the request of Euron and we assume that Euron payed with a dragon egg. Who else has even a remote chance of having the information needed to hatch a dragon's egg if not the citadel.

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And as for the Benjen theory, Theon knew Benjen and would have recognized him right?

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Yes he would and that is a popular theory but not one I buy into. In order for Benjen to be in Winterfell he would have had to forsake his vows to the Nights Watch. He knew the Others were back and he had to have heard that his nephew Jon was now the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. No way I see benjen forsaking his vows to the Nights and who he believes to be the last of his blood with war at hand. Thats just not very Benjen or Stark like.

Now while there are holes in the logic I honestly think Mance is the most likely candidate for the Hooded Man. Thats just not who I WANT it to be. I want it to be Theon. I really hope that a part of him has woken up and is fighting back. I want him to redeem himself and be the man he wanted to be and had the potential to be.

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Cotton, I went back and added a question in my OP about Jon and the Watch. Am I overcomplicating it? Is it just his punishment for planning to desert in their eyes? I'm just not sure I buy that. Ramsey did threaten him and the Wall. Is riding out to meet him truly worth a death sentence by an ally like Edd?

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It was just the culmination of all their perceived slights against the watch and their oath.

You've got to think of the others POV. Many of them are older men and have been in the watch since they were 15-16 years old. Their enemy for everyone of those long hard years were the wildlings. That is who they defended the realms of men from. They had killed wildlings and watched their brothers die by wildling hands.

They didn't spend time on the other side like Jon did. They didn't get the chance to open their eyes and see the wildlings as just another group of people, another culture made up of men. So when the Others came they didn't think of it as men vs others. They thought of the others as yet ANOTHER enemy, they thought of it as Men vs. Wildlings vs Others.

So of course they didn't take kindly to Jon allowing the wildlings through the gate but they accepted that.

They didn't like that Jon appeared to be favoring Stannis over the other lords, to them it appeared he was playing the game of thrones. But that they also accepted.

Then Jon starts settling Wildlings in the gift and giving them strongholds along the wall and even marrying them off to northern maids but even that they accepted.

When Jon made the announcement that he was marching SOUTH with all the new found strength that they swallowed their pride to gain.

Think about it, Jon talked them into accepting the Wildlings for the greater good. That they would help them hold the Others back, then he proclaimed that he was going to take that strength and march the other way.

So that would have left the Night's Watch undermanned and leaderless on the eve of battle....





Jon's mind and heart were in the right place but he fricked up and the Nights Watch accused, judged and punished him for those frick ups.



Now I don't believe Jon to be an oathbreaker but I can easily understand how the men of the night's watch saw him in that light.

They were terrified of an enemy they didn't even know how to kill and while their very existence is on the precipice of destruction their leader, the man they put their trust and their lives in, was abandoning them because Ramsay Snow called him a bastard and threatened him. They had more important things to concern themselves with than the squabbles of Starks and Boltons.

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I mean frick the Starks need to catch a break right???

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Hell Arya is training to be a badass assassin.
Sansa is being set up to be the wife of the heir of the Vale and to take back the North in the name of her father and brother.
Bran is shaping up to be the most powerful person in the series.
Rickon is.... well on skagos with Osha so who knows what the frick hes been doing.

and there is no way Jon is actually dead.... well let me rephrase that. There is no way he REMAINS dead.


The Starks will be ok

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quote: Now we know Margery and Cersei but who is the third? Myrcella maybe?

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Mrs Stannis is a queen, but that would be boring.

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Has anyone noticed that the POV of every prologue in this series has died.

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yea it is a pretty well known trend.