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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 5/28/13 at 2:30 pm to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 5/28/13 at 2:30 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I'm being an optimist, but I think they get this almost perfect for the book readers. The non-readers can't possibly hate the Mountain as much as we do, so it won't have the same affect. They did a full scale battle major justice, I think they knock a single combat out of the park.
not only that, but the show is going to have to give the background to WHY martell hates the Mountain so much
so the show will be giving a good bit of detail on the mountain to build him up as a fighter and as someone who should be despised for raping and killing innocent people and babies
Posted on 5/28/13 at 2:31 pm to Mr. Wayne
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This. The new guy is about as far away from the Mountain as possible.
When first watching it, I didn't even realize that guy was supposed to be the Mountain, and I'd read the first book then to where I knew who he was. Took one of yall pointing it out for me to realize it.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 4:10 pm to OMLandshark
Yeah. It was definitely a swing and a miss in recasting the mountain. I guess they were kind of put in a bind when the first guy moved on to a different show or a movie (I forget which). But it kinds of sticks out because overall they've done a great job of casting.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 4:33 pm to OMLandshark
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You'll be in for a disappointment. It is the one thing I think the show will absolutely pail in comparison. I think the RW will be great, but they've completely failed to build up the Mountain.
This x 1 million. Going as far as back as the first book, The Mountain's cruelty, lust for blood, sadism, etc. is emphasized. Before reading, I don't think I could've told you much about Gregor Clegane. The books also emphasize the differences between Sandor and his brother better and how he hates him.
The Dornish and especially Oberyn never forgot about what The Mountain did to Elia and her kids.
I don't think the show has truly shown how cruel the Mountain is...he's truly one of the few evil to the core characters in the series, besides Ramsay and Joffrey.
ETA: About fricking time that the Episode 8 What the Flula review was posted.
What the Flula S3E8
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 6:17 pm to Gugich22
I'm disappointed that Flula didn't mention Tyrone and Sensei getting married.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:47 pm to ladytiger118
So, is anyone else planning on a Red Wedding party... specifically with non-readers? I'm luring 2 of my non-reader friends down for the night with the promise of roasted mutton and Napa Red. And boy, is the red will run. Thinking about recording their reactions to it.
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:50 pm to OMLandshark
If they can't get the mountain from season 1 ill take the guy from the opening scene of Troy.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:54 pm to OMLandshark
I want to record some of my Hodor friend reactions. Will probably be as shocking as my reaction to Ned losing his head when I first watched season 1 .
Posted on 5/29/13 at 6:23 am to Tiger1242
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_________________________________________Ellaria Sand._________________________________________
Better be SO hot
Nah, Ellaria is described as "interesting", but not beautiful. She is Oberyn's paramour, the mother of the Sand Snakes.
Arienne is probably who you're thinking of. She better be Jessica Alba type smokin
Posted on 5/29/13 at 6:28 am to Tiger1242
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_________________________________________Ellaria Sand._________________________________________
Better be SO hot
Nah, Ellaria is described as "interesting", but not beautiful. She is Oberyn's paramour, the mother of the Sand Snakes.
Arienne is probably who you're thinking of. She better be Jessica Alba type smokin
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:30 am to BlackleafBaller
So I'm almost through Storm of Swords on my re-read, and I'm at the Sansa POV where Littlefinger tells Lysa who she really is.
Even in this late of a chapter, Lysa brings up Jon Arryn's last words about "the seed is strong."
Is that truly not going to come into play again? Was it just a device to trigger suspicion for the reader and Ned about the circumstances surrounding his death that set all of this in motion? Has "the seed is strong" served it's purpose and now irrelevant a la Benjen
Or could Jon Arryn have figured something out beyond Robert's bastards? Will those early mysteries come back into play and be even more relevant than we ever thought they could be?
I know it's probably nothing at this point, but just reading those words again so deep into the series reminded me of how important those words were early on.
Damn you GRRM for dragging this series on so long and forcing us to rehash and ponder shite like this that means nothing.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:45 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Is that truly not going to come into play again? Was it just a device to trigger suspicion for the reader and Ned about the circumstances surrounding his death that set all of this in motion? Has "the seed is strong" served it's purpose and now irrelevant a la Benjen
It served the purpose of getting everyone suspicious on why he died. The seed is strong applied to the Baratheon bloodline being strong, and the Lannisters weaker. It's already served its pupose.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 10:28 am to Mr. Wayne
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I think they knock a single combat out of the park.
All three trials by combat were among my favorites scenes from the books. I think the show did an excellent job with Bronn/SerWhatsit and Beric/Sandor.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 10:32 am to shinerfan
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erWhatsit
Ser Vardis.
I think the show will have a few scenes to build up Gregor next season and that should help. i think it will be ok
Posted on 5/29/13 at 11:05 am to ladytiger118
Haven't heard this theory yet but bear with me.
Right now I see Arya as kind of a wildcard. She has her list of names that motivate her but that seems to be on hold for a while. I don't think she truly becomes a Faceless Man because of her strong desire to reunite with her family. it would also isolate her and remove her chance at revenge. Needle is buried under a step in the temple but is not forgotten.
So where does she go? Will she end up with Gendry and live like a lady in Storm's End? too fairytale and too anticlimactic. Does she travel the world always seeking to return to Winterfell but always getting swept away all while giving the reader the "common man" POV? maybe, but to what end?
Does she seek out Dany and finally lead her to Jon at the Wall?
I think this is the most likely
Arya's childhood hero is Nymeria. She liked her story so much that she named her direwolf after her.
"Nymeria was a warrior queen of the Rhoynar who brought ten thousand ships across the narrow sea to the shores of Dorne. She struck an alliance with House Martell, taking King Mors as her husband. With his help, she conquered the rest of Dorne."
I just hope this isn't a foreshadowing of her ending up in Dorne like Nymeria and settling down with a Dornish prince or lordling.
She also mentions Aegon The Conqueror's dragon-riding sisters a lot. I don't see how she won't be drawn to another dragon warrior queen like Dany and, through Dany, get her revenge on the Lannisters and what's left of her family back.
Right now I see Arya as kind of a wildcard. She has her list of names that motivate her but that seems to be on hold for a while. I don't think she truly becomes a Faceless Man because of her strong desire to reunite with her family. it would also isolate her and remove her chance at revenge. Needle is buried under a step in the temple but is not forgotten.
So where does she go? Will she end up with Gendry and live like a lady in Storm's End? too fairytale and too anticlimactic. Does she travel the world always seeking to return to Winterfell but always getting swept away all while giving the reader the "common man" POV? maybe, but to what end?
Does she seek out Dany and finally lead her to Jon at the Wall?
I think this is the most likely
Arya's childhood hero is Nymeria. She liked her story so much that she named her direwolf after her.
"Nymeria was a warrior queen of the Rhoynar who brought ten thousand ships across the narrow sea to the shores of Dorne. She struck an alliance with House Martell, taking King Mors as her husband. With his help, she conquered the rest of Dorne."
I just hope this isn't a foreshadowing of her ending up in Dorne like Nymeria and settling down with a Dornish prince or lordling.
She also mentions Aegon The Conqueror's dragon-riding sisters a lot. I don't see how she won't be drawn to another dragon warrior queen like Dany and, through Dany, get her revenge on the Lannisters and what's left of her family back.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 11:23 am to Carson123987
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I think the show will have a few scenes to build up Gregor next season and that should help. i think it will be ok
They seem to have been taking some baby steps in that direction even last episode with the Hound saying there were much worse men out there other than him - such as his brother.
To me, they need to establish two things:
One - establish his vile character. Showing would be better than telling but some of the stuff he did in the sack of King's landing to Elia Martel and her children were so bad, I don't know if you can even show that. But they have enough time to establish his deeds between now and the combat I think.
Two - It would be great if they could establish his physically imposing aspect. It kind of seems like the ship has sailed on this one. I'm sure it's plenty difficult to find an almost 8 foot actor who can pass for an accomplished sword fighter. But neither of the ones they've cast have been great. (the first was better than the 2nd). Since I think he is fully helmeted and armored during the fight, I'm sure a stunt man could do those scenes. But I guess it remains to be seen how well they pull it off.
If they can overcome those hurdles, I think the scene is so powerful that it almost can't help but be great. Especially Martell overcoming the size advantage, taunting the Mountain about what he did and succeeding in wounding him with the poisonous spear and getting him on his back, only to get too close and fall to Clegane's great strength.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:14 pm to Methuselah
Hate to break one of my cardinal rules and double post, but the stuff about Arianne Martell has me thinking and I wanted to see what ya'll thought.
There has to be a reason GRRM has introduced a character like her - heir to Sunspear, smoking hot, 23 years old and single at at time when most nobles in her position would be married or betrothed in their mid teens to someone who would offer strategic benefits for both sides.
I know that the in book reason for DORAN is that he was planning to match her with Viserys. And that makes sense (except for the part that he was stupid, cruel and probably insane). But I have to think GRRM has his own reasons. Can it be as a match for Aegon? I can see that as a strong possibility but jeeze I hope not. I can't help but think that guy is just cannon fodder (catapult fodder in SOI&F I guess). I just never bought that he was the real deal.
But if not him, I'm not sure who GRRM would have in mind for her. Or if his plans for her don't include some sort of marriage pact.
There has to be a reason GRRM has introduced a character like her - heir to Sunspear, smoking hot, 23 years old and single at at time when most nobles in her position would be married or betrothed in their mid teens to someone who would offer strategic benefits for both sides.
I know that the in book reason for DORAN is that he was planning to match her with Viserys. And that makes sense (except for the part that he was stupid, cruel and probably insane). But I have to think GRRM has his own reasons. Can it be as a match for Aegon? I can see that as a strong possibility but jeeze I hope not. I can't help but think that guy is just cannon fodder (catapult fodder in SOI&F I guess). I just never bought that he was the real deal.
But if not him, I'm not sure who GRRM would have in mind for her. Or if his plans for her don't include some sort of marriage pact.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:26 pm to Methuselah
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Can it be as a match for Aegon
Yeah I feel that is the most likely case as he has tried to setup both of his kids to marry a Targaryen already.
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