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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:26 pm to shelly
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:26 pm to shelly
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"there is no good or evil"
This is one of the greatest things about the series. My point of view has changed so much over the series.
fricking hate Jamie....sort of like Jamie.
Sort of hate Milesandre......sort of understand Milesandre.
Dislike Littlefinger......Littlefinger is actually a badass.
Cat annoys the frick out of me......Cat becomes revenge incarnate and goes on a badass Frey killing spree.
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:37 pm to shelly
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If Ramsay ain't "evil" then I don't know what it is
Seriously, Ramsay is very plainly evil. There are very few evil people, but when you run across one, it should chill you to the bone.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:03 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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"there is no good or evil"
This is one of the greatest things about the series. My point of view has changed so much over the series.
fricking hate Jamie....sort of like Jamie.
This is the rule.......
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If Ramsay ain't "evil" then I don't know what it is
Seriously, Ramsay is very plainly evil. There are very few evil people, but when you run across one, it should chill you to the bone.
but this is the exception.
Ramsay is fricking evil incarnate.
0% chance that sadistic frick ever has a single moment of redemption. Zero.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:04 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Ramsay, Joffrey, Vargo, and the Mountain are some of the only pure evil characters in the books, IMO.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:06 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Ramsay is fricking evil incarnate.
The letter he sends to Jon after Theon and Not-Arya escape is crazy. I think this proves it.
ETA: Good stuff...
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Your false king is dead bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore.
Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me.
I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell.
I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want this wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it.
Ramsay Bolton, Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:11 pm to SaintEB
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The letter he sends to Jon after Theon and Not-Arya escape is crazy. I think this proves it.
I'm still not convinced Ramsay wrote the letter
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:14 pm to shelly
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I'm still not convinced Ramsay wrote the letter
Interdasting. Explain please?
ETA: Just saw your spreadsheet. Holy shite.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:15 pm to shelly
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I'm still not convinced Ramsay wrote the letter
I was surprised that whoever wrote it claimed that they had seven days of battle when the last chapter we saw them in they were all snowed in. I also was curious who was blowing the horn keeping Ramsay's men on the walls. After the horn starts to sound, we get a chapter in Stannis' camp with Asha saying they were still what, 2 days away? Seems too far away for a horn to be blowing around the walls day in and day out. I didn't read the first 200 pages of this thread but were there any theories on those things?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:17 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I also was curious who was blowing the horn keeping Ramsay's men on the walls.
wasn't it one of the Umbers with a troop of green boys? No match for the Bolton/Frey force, just an irritant.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:19 pm to shinerfan
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wasn't it one of the Umbers with a troop of green boys? No match for the Bolton/Frey force, just an irritant.
I thought that contingent of Umbers was in Stannis' camp? Didn't they make the march down with him?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:20 pm to shinerfan
I like the theory that Mance wrote the letter basically pushing all Jon's buttons to piss him off enough to take action.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:22 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I'm still not convinced Ramsay wrote the letter
Agreed.
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I didn't read the first 200 pages of this thread but were there any theories on those things?
One of the popular ones that I DO NOT believe is that Stannis sent the letter to coax Jon into joining his forces at WF.
Another is that Mel did it push Jon to leave so that he would be killed so that she could revive him. Again, I don't buy this one.
The best one IMO, is that Mance sent the letter. It makes a lot of sense. That could also point to Mel being involved, since she has some sort of power over him, but not necessarily.
I think it's a 50/50 that either Mance sent it, or Ramsay actually did send it and is just lying about a lot of the stuff he put in it.
If Mance did send it, I think it's 50/50 that Mel was also involved
So basically, frick if I know.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:23 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I thought that contingent of Umbers was in Stannis' camp? Didn't they make the march down with him?
The traitorous Umbers are with Stannis but I can't keep Crowfood Umber and Whoresbane Umber straight as to which is which. We need the Greatjon to come sort this shite out.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:26 pm to shelly
quote:no Smalljon?
here's my list of Northern Lords
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:28 pm to shinerfan
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We need the Greatjon to come sort this shite out.
Cannot fricking wait for him to be freed (please be alive still). He was the one that started the "King in the North" chant. He's going to single handedly exterminate the Freys in a bloodbath of berserking vengeance.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:35 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:38 pm to BleedPurpleGold
i can't even imagine how long that must have taken
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:39 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Another is that Mel did it push Jon to leave so that he would be killed so that she could revive him. Again, I don't buy this one.
Definitely not, since I don't think she knows about Ramsay's precious Reek.
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I think it's a 50/50 that either Mance sent it, or Ramsay actually did send it and is just lying about a lot of the stuff he put in it.
It's just to close for me, but the only other possibility. I think Ramsay knows he's screwed without "Arya" and is trying to scare the piss out of Jon Snow and the Watch.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:46 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Compare the Pink Letter with all the other letters that Ramsay wrote
Letter to Asha about Moat Cailin being taken
It was tightly rolled and sealed with a button of hard pink wax.
A scrap of leather fluttered down into her lap. When she read the dry brown words, her black mood grew blacker still
“Ramsay Bolton, Lord of Winterfell, he signs himself.
Those were done in maester’s ink, made of soot and coal tar, but the message above was scrawled in brown in a huge, spiky hand.
“I write this letter in the blood of ironmen,” the last, “I send you each a piece of prince. Linger in my lands, and share his fate.”
Letter to Jon about Moat Cailin
It was tightly rolled and sealed, with a button of hard pink wax.
Ramsay Bolton, Lord of the Hornwood, it read, in a huge, spiky hand. The brown ink came away in flakes
Unfortunately, we don't get a description of the Pink Letter, besides the smear of pink wax. The previous letter to Jon and the letter to Asha has a button of hard pink wax. There's no mention of how Ramsay addresses the letter to Jon in the previous letter, but the Pink Letter he just says "bastard." Also, he writes the other letters in blood, and has a spiky hand. I wish there was mention of the ink and handwriting in the Pink Letter.
Then there's the use of bastard. Ramsay doesn't let anyone use the term bastard in his presence, but I'm not sure if that would rule out that Ramsay would call him that.
Then there's Mance using the term bastard. In Storm, when he's disguised as Rattleshirt:
“Not me. I’m done with those bloody fools.” Rattleshirt tapped the ruby on his wrist. “Ask your red witch, bastard.”
“I’ll range for you, bastard,” Rattleshirt declared.
Remember that Jon's excuse for joining the wildlings is because he's bastard. I think Mance was mocking him, and was angry at being betrayed. Although later on, Mance starts calling him Snow or Lord Snow (I'll have to double check if he calls him bastard later on).
And how in the world would Ramsay know it's Mance? Everyone thinks he dead. Even if Mance were being tortured, I doubt he'd reveal that info. All he'd have to say is that he's some random guy that Jon sends to save "Arya." I think he did it in order to provoke Jon into going south. I don't think he could have known that Marsh and co. would be dumb enough to murder Jon in front of all the wildlings and other NW members. Of course, there may be more to it than just that, but that's getting into the whole Northern Conspiracy stuff (Mance's involvement is a bit more crackpot though).
Letter to Asha about Moat Cailin being taken
It was tightly rolled and sealed with a button of hard pink wax.
A scrap of leather fluttered down into her lap. When she read the dry brown words, her black mood grew blacker still
“Ramsay Bolton, Lord of Winterfell, he signs himself.
Those were done in maester’s ink, made of soot and coal tar, but the message above was scrawled in brown in a huge, spiky hand.
“I write this letter in the blood of ironmen,” the last, “I send you each a piece of prince. Linger in my lands, and share his fate.”
Letter to Jon about Moat Cailin
It was tightly rolled and sealed, with a button of hard pink wax.
Ramsay Bolton, Lord of the Hornwood, it read, in a huge, spiky hand. The brown ink came away in flakes
Unfortunately, we don't get a description of the Pink Letter, besides the smear of pink wax. The previous letter to Jon and the letter to Asha has a button of hard pink wax. There's no mention of how Ramsay addresses the letter to Jon in the previous letter, but the Pink Letter he just says "bastard." Also, he writes the other letters in blood, and has a spiky hand. I wish there was mention of the ink and handwriting in the Pink Letter.
Then there's the use of bastard. Ramsay doesn't let anyone use the term bastard in his presence, but I'm not sure if that would rule out that Ramsay would call him that.
Then there's Mance using the term bastard. In Storm, when he's disguised as Rattleshirt:
“Not me. I’m done with those bloody fools.” Rattleshirt tapped the ruby on his wrist. “Ask your red witch, bastard.”
“I’ll range for you, bastard,” Rattleshirt declared.
Remember that Jon's excuse for joining the wildlings is because he's bastard. I think Mance was mocking him, and was angry at being betrayed. Although later on, Mance starts calling him Snow or Lord Snow (I'll have to double check if he calls him bastard later on).
And how in the world would Ramsay know it's Mance? Everyone thinks he dead. Even if Mance were being tortured, I doubt he'd reveal that info. All he'd have to say is that he's some random guy that Jon sends to save "Arya." I think he did it in order to provoke Jon into going south. I don't think he could have known that Marsh and co. would be dumb enough to murder Jon in front of all the wildlings and other NW members. Of course, there may be more to it than just that, but that's getting into the whole Northern Conspiracy stuff (Mance's involvement is a bit more crackpot though).
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:52 pm to shelly
i have got to reread the last two books 
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