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Wireless Access Point Question

Posted on 12/30/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted by bayoutiger225
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 1:30 pm
Im building a new house and have run ethernet for TVs, printers, etc. I ran a few more cables for future WAP in the house should I need it.

My main question for these points is if I can just plug them into my patch panel like any other device?

My thought process is to have a modem/router that runs to a panel that runs to a switch and then out to the house. Is it as simple as running the WAP to the patch panel and forgetting about it.

For continuity sake I would be using the same brand WAP as my modem/router.
Leaning towards a netgear nighthawk assembly or something like that.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 1:36 pm to
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My main question for these points is if I can just plug them into my patch panel like any other device?

My thought process is to have a modem/router that runs to a panel that runs to a switch and then out to the house. Is it as simple as running the WAP to the patch panel and forgetting about it.
The WAP needs power, so it depends on what type you get. If it accepts PoE then your switch will need to be PoE in order to power it (or you will need a separate PoE adapter). If the WAP has its own power supply then any switch will do.

Have you run the cables to locations on the ceiling, or down the walls near power outlets? I don't know if netgear has a ceiling mounted AP or not.

Also of course it's not plug-and-play simple, it will need to be configured.
Posted by bayoutiger225
Member since Nov 2009
466 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 1:50 pm to
I would get a system that is POE more than likely. Cables have been run to the walls and down near the power outlets.

I was just going to get a low voltage gangway and begin the termination process for them. I wired it essentially where every jack will have a close by outlet should I need it.

My biggest concern was the configuration. Im not necessarily tech savy but had no problem doing the actual physical part of pulling the wire and terminating everything.

I currently have a netgear nighthawk x6 router that is a few years old. Im getting to the point where I think it would be easier to get a modem/router package together and start fresh.

Id like the modem/router to broadcast a signal near my office even though it will be hardwired. Then id have an access point by the master and then upstairs for max coverage.

I see netgear has a few options that mount to the ceiling.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17973 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 2:14 pm to
If you are going to do multiple access points and one network then you will probably end up with mesh units and they don't use PoE. Just something to think about.

Also, a really good access point with beam forming and all that located centrally can cover a large house easily. You may not need several units if you get a good spot.
Posted by bayoutiger225
Member since Nov 2009
466 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 2:43 pm to
Got it. The idea is to have one network with a modem/router that broadcasts a signal.

Then two access points. They won’t be used until later for the most part but I’d still like them.

If I were to use mesh units that would essentially void the work I did for Ethernet right? Everything would be Wi-Fi based with the mesh?

I was looking at the net gear orb and saw good reviews but I wanted everything hardwired and hidden.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:13 pm to
No. Most mesh units can use Ethernet back haul.
Posted by bayoutiger225
Member since Nov 2009
466 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:18 pm to
Ok so it would probably be overkill but I could theoretically get a modem/router setup and then use a mesh setup throughout the house where I want and run ethernet from the mesh to the panel.

Does that sound doable/reasonable?


Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:48 pm to
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Also, a really good access point with beam forming and all that located centrally can cover a large house easily. You may not need several units if you get a good spot.
I think multiple APs will be most ideal for the foreseeable future. Beamforming is neat and all, but I think it's most helpful for modern and powerful devices like laptops and phones whereas something like a video doorbell would hardly benefit at all.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:53 pm to
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overkill
Almost impossible
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I could theoretically get a modem/router setup and then use a mesh setup throughout the house where I want and run ethernet from the mesh to the panel.

Does that sound doable/reasonable?
Yes. With wires already run the hard part is done and your options are pretty limitless. Your network can grow or be upgraded piecemeal as required or desired.
Posted by bayoutiger225
Member since Nov 2009
466 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:47 pm to
Ok. I think that’s the route I may go. A router/mesh combo with hardwired devices and then a mesh system.

With my netgear modem/router combo I think it would be beneficial to get a netgear mesh system for continuity purposes.

The mesh system just May need some setup help to work with the modem router correct?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:23 pm to
I tend to avoid modem/router combo units whenever possible for several reasons, but if you have no choice or want to use it anyway then you'll have to put it in passthrough mode if you get a mesh system because the mesh system will want to do the routing.

I don't have much experience with netgear stuff aside from setting up an Orbi system, so I can't really give any info about that. If you ask my advice on hardware then in your case I might suggest Ubiquiti's In-Wall AP for $99 or the WiFi6 version for $179. These mount right to the 1-gang box where your ethernet cable comes out for a slick install and work as a WAP as well as a small switch giving you multiple ethernet ports.
Posted by bayoutiger225
Member since Nov 2009
466 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:42 pm to
Makes sense. I think I’ll just get a standard modem and then the mesh system for routing if it’s going to do that anyways.

Do you have any modem preferences?
So my setup will look like ISP to modem, modem to main mesh point, then to switch panel, and finally to panel before going out to the house I think.

I may have switched the order up but in my head that sounds right.
Posted by BabySam
FL
Member since Oct 2010
1504 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:12 pm to
Arris Surfboard is usually consensus
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17973 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:51 pm to
If this is cable, look at humax HGD310 modem.
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
838 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 1:21 pm to
I like ubiquiti stuff, dream machine and 2 wifi6 access points cover my house perfectly. Roughly 4,200ft plus garage and back patio/yard area. Excellent coverage everywhere better equipment/management capability than consumer grade mesh stuff that’s going to cost nearly as much if not more.
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
838 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 1:24 pm to
These access points work perfect for residence and they’re only $99

Ubiquiti u6 lite
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 1:42 pm to
I have two of those as well. They cover the whole house and they reach out to pretty much every corner of the roughly 1 acre lot. I will add an outdoor unit eventually to boost the signal outside.

Having these APs mounted to the ceiling where god intended, I wouldn't want to go back to units that have to be plugged in the wall somewhere and sit on a shelf or whatever.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14948 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 3:15 pm to
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Having these APs mounted to the ceiling where god intended, I wouldn't want to go back to units that have to be plugged in the wall somewhere and sit on a shelf or whatever.



I’m trying to plan my father in law’s new place out. I was trying to show him where we need to put these things and how many he needs. I also said, “they’re way better in the ceiling (and they make some wooden covers that will blend well with the ceiling he has chosen),” so we decided to put my money where my mouth is.
4,300sqft house. 2 story (but the Acadian-style 1.5 story with dormers meaning lots of attic space around the 2nd story and on top of it, meaning I’ve got drops in almost every wall. I couldn’t drop into the wall I wanted to in my office because of the layout, but I could drop into the side wall of a book case (built in). The best aesthetic was to get one of the in-wall AP, put the wood panel covering on, and use it as a switch in the wall (with wires running behind a printer- it works well!)).

I have one other AP in the house (I had two but sent the other out on loaner for a project and had good enough coverage with the HD and my other UAP-AC-Pro.

So I decided to use the software to disable my UAP-AC-Pro (which sits face up on the above-cabinet shelf in my living room which is centrally located in length, but against an exterior wall) and put in just the in-wall high-density AC access point (which has a low broadcast power to reduce interference in places like hotels, apartment complexes). This thing is also basically central on the house’s length, but on the opposite exterior wall. It’s at desk-height. It’s on the first floor.

We ran speed tests (yes, not the best test of wifi spectrum but we’re also browsing and listening to music looking for skips as we did it), and got pretty much a minimum of 35mbps (gig connection, but wifi AC and all) with no hiccups at any place in the house. It was the worst when I was upstairs and across the house. But damn it, I still had internet working fairly well throughout both stories of a 4,300 square foot house.


We are going to use the IW-6 at his new place. Based on the Unifi design tool, we are still going with 3 AP and one exterior. But i thought the results from their “weak” AP deserved a tiny mention, and my “you really want to put them on the ceiling if you want to plan this and do this the ‘right’ way” comment was…well, not dated or incorrect, but functionally inappropriate.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 3:39 pm to
I really like the in-wall models too (I recommended them ITT) as they are mostly out of sight/mind rather than in-your-face like something that needs a power outlet. But the fact remains that if you want to place an AP in a location that's close to ideal, more than likely it will be near the center of the room rather than on a wall. Mounted to the ceiling is the only way to achieve that.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14948 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 4:10 pm to
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Mounted to the ceiling is the only way to achieve that.



I’m still trying to convince my wife to let me put my above-cabinet one in the ceiling.




My office is around 9,000sqft. Drop ceiling is around 12ft. 2 UAP AC Pro there (which are properly placed) cover the whole thing (though I have a hiccup in one far corner that I’m going to try to remedy with an IW model (to cannibalize an existing run) when I quit being lazy.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 4:11 pm
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