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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:16 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:16 am
Anyone tried this?

I'm considering mounting my N7 on one of the walls in my house to serve as a 'master control' for all the home automation stuff.

Something like this:



In addition, I want to have the ability to use it to say, serve up the TD Food & Drink Recipe Guide while I'm cooking and looking up recipes.

Anyone done anything like this? I want it to look professional and also be functional.

I'm going to start putting this together and research ways people have done this.

The damn tablet is sitting around unused most of the time now so I might as well give it a purpose.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 9:18 am
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:23 am to
That seems like a backwards move. Why would you want to make a portable control panel fixed to the wall?
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:27 am to
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Why would you want to make a portable control panel fixed to the wall?


so it doesnt get (a) lost and (b) left off the charger and (c) so there's one place to always control everything.

it doesnt mean i wont have smartphones to control stuff, but its nice to have one central place that's always got the home automation stuff on screen rather than finding and then digging around through apps on the phone wasting time.
Posted by TigerWise
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:53 am to
Done a lot with the iPort products. Inwall and on wall, however they only make apple compatible pieces.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:54 am to
it defeats the entire purpose.

if you want a fancy LCD control panel that's fine. There is NO reason to mount a device made for portability and turning it into a fixed glorified LCD control panel IMO. IF anything mount a dock there and make it one, but leave it mobile.

Just my opinion
Posted by TigerWise
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:57 am to
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There is NO reason to mount a device made for portability and turning it into a fixed glorified LCD control panel IMO.


People do it all the time. The semi permanent mount is what sells it. Nobody wants the kids walking off with the control device to play angry birds.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:15 am to


this is probably trashy as hell but see how the recipes are right there?
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 10:16 am
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:21 am to
quote:

this is probably trashy as hell


I don't know if it's trashy, but instead of being directly on the door I would probably get a flip-down mount that hides under the cabinet.
Posted by Dirtman16
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:26 am to
CAD, you may have already seen this, but check out this thread on the SmartThings forum.

It looks like the project that generated the picture you posted. I'm curious about this topic as well since I have a version 2 SmartThings hub coming this month.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:38 am to


yep, thats the article i read that got me heading this way.

i helped my FiL get his schlage working with his wink yesterday and it reminded me that i have alot of ideas..particularly getting into the whole ITTT of things and scripting more powerful interaction between the different 'smart' things in my house.

this market is still wide open..wink is not necessarily the answer..but where are google and apple?? they are busy buying up companies like nest and others but no uniquely branded 'insanely easy' home hubs yet??

wink is still (for better or worse) far and ahead of the pack as far as cost & feature integration.
Posted by guedeaux
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:57 am to
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but where are google and apple?? they are busy buying up companies like nest and others but no uniquely branded 'insanely easy' home hubs yet??



"Google OnHub"

It is a router/Hub in one.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 11:00 am to
not even close

quote:

It’s built to support a growing number of "smart devices" over time because it includes Bluetooth® Smart Ready, Weave, and Thread.


kidde?
zwave?
lutron?
zigbee?

that onhub supports none of the current popular 'thing' radios.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 11:01 am
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 11:17 am to
It has a radio that is essentially compatible with zigbee (based on the same standard). Software updates can make existing zigbee devices compatible with OnHub.
Posted by guedeaux
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 11:18 am to
quote:

not even close

quote:
It’s built to support a growing number of "smart devices" over time because it includes Bluetooth® Smart Ready, Weave, and Thread.


kidde?
zwave?
lutron?
zigbee?

that onhub supports none of the current popular 'thing' radios.


I knew this would be your "nothing is exactly how I want it" response haha. You are so predictable, CAD.

Weave is the NEST one. Also,

quote:

he device supports not only 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, but also Bluetooth 4.0 and a few smart home protocols. One such protocol is Weave, the Android team's Internet of Things (IoT) communications layer that it announced at Google I/O alongside Brillo, its Android-derived OS for IoT. It also supports Thread, an IoT wireless protocol created by Google's Nest Labs and Samsung. OnHub also offers IEEE 802.15.4, the basis for Zigbee, another IoT protocol that is popular in many devices.


And "currently popular" ones are only "currently popular" because they are currently available. None have out-shined their competition.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

I knew this would be your "nothing is exactly how I want it" response haha. You are so predictable, CAD.


go to home depot or lowes.

pick up any 'smart switch', lock, automatic blinds, etc.

look on back. 99% of them are zwave.

without support for zwave, what's the point? to push *NOT YET CREATED* products?

why not support the low-power wifi standard that most items already use.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted by Dirtman16
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

"Google OnHub"

It is a router/Hub in one.


I'm probably the biggest Google homer out there, but I just don't trust them when it comes to this thing. They have a tendency to make up a standard and then just forget about it a year later.

I thought about buying one of those, but I decided I won't do it until it officially supports Zigbee/Zwave.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

It has a radio that is essentially compatible with zigbee (based on the same standard). Software updates can make existing zigbee devices compatible with OnHub.


why not just build in support for these popular standards from day 1? wink did it with a hub they give away for 99 cents.

bitch about software all you like, but the wink hardware is a rock-star when it comes to integration and support for all the radios out there.

and my point was google has an opportunity to pick up the market and integrate all those doo-dads people have been picking up for years.

why not add a few 2 cent chips and write some software to support the current landscape?
Posted by Dirtman16
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:17 pm to
Well, good timing. Ars just put up a summary/review of the OnHub.

This line sticks out.

quote:

It's important to note that while there are tons of smart home protocols out there, Google isn't playing nice with any of the existing solutions—it will be going its own way. OnHub's 802.15.4 support is close to ZigBee but isn't compatible with ZigBee. ZigBee devices can toss off the ZigBee label, get a software update, and join Google's team, but it doesn't seem like Google will be making itself compatible with them. OnHub also doesn't support Z-Wave, which is probably the most popular IoT ecosystem out there.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:24 pm to


people want to act like cad doesnt know his shite but he does
Posted by whodatfan
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:28 pm to
From the looks of it, home automation is a clusterfrick right now and no one wants to drive. Well, except the 14 year old with no license that is CAD.
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