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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted by shspanthers
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
769 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:11 pm
Please consider contacting the FCC to help fight for Net Neutrality. It's something that WILL affect you, and the last thing anyone should want is corporations controlling what you see and do online.

Sorry if this should be on politics. Couldn't decide which was more appropriate.

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Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:57 pm to
Most on the poliboard here think anything that deals with regulation is bad. Most don't realize how much power ISPs have, and those that do don't really care. They think that regulation always, without fail, hinders an economy, and that whatever happens in a free market is supposed to happen.

I guess what I'm saying is, in response to this:
quote:

Sorry if this should be on politics. Couldn't decide which was more appropriate.
It will be better received here, but the poliboard needs to hear it more than we do. Unfortunately, with the mentality there, it's likely to force more of them to be anti-NN just because NN sounds like some sort of liberal plot.
Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8157 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:05 pm to
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They think that regulation always, without fail, hinders an economy, and that whatever happens in a free market is supposed to happen.

They are correct. Unfortunately, ISPs are about as far from a free market as exists in this country.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18645 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:23 pm to
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the last thing anyone should want is corporations controlling what you see and do online.


It's the second-last thing I want.

The last thing I want is government controlling what I see and do online.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125416 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:23 pm to
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Sorry if this should be on politics. Couldn't decide which was more appropriate.


Its fine here

Over there you will get a whole bunch of people who don't understand the internet thinking NN is a bad thing.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12183 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:28 pm to
The internet is one of the best things we have going.

I want the internet to stay the same as it is now.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

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They think that regulation always, without fail, hinders an economy, and that whatever happens in a free market is supposed to happen.
They are correct. Unfortunately, ISPs are about as far from a free market as exists in this country.
Even without local government-sanctioned/granted monopolies, or government intervention of any sort, the ISP industry naturally lends itself to producing monopolies. The barriers to entry, the wastefulness of duplicate infrastructure.. all of it screams "utility" very loudly. Don't you wonder why utilities all over the world tend to be either government owned or regulated to hell? Do you think everyone in the world is just dumb, or do you think it's possible that these industries just don't function well in free markets?
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77985 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:15 pm to
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They are correct.


So the Fed Govt should have let AT&T stay a massive monopoly?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85043 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:20 pm to
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The barriers to entry, the wastefulness of duplicate infrastructure.. all of it screams "utility" very loudly
All of this is why it needs to be regulated. It's as vital to infrastructure as gas, power, and water. Houses don't get built without a water line, a power line, and an internet connection.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14468 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:16 pm to
I like the way it is now if they start charging to access: amazon, yahoo , youtube etc... then the consumer is screwed
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 4:21 pm
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30310 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:18 pm to
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So the Fed Govt should have let AT&T stay a massive monopoly?




AT&T was a massive monopoly primarily due to government protection initially, allowing the use of utility right of ways to put the backbone into place for their system. Once broader competition was allowed, the telecommunications industry exploded.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77985 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:26 pm to
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Once broader competition was allowed, the telecommunications industry exploded.


I agree. That never would have happened had the govt not decided it had to break up AT&T.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30310 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:45 pm to
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I agree. That never would have happened had the govt not decided it had to break up AT&T.


We agree on that. I think AT&T was essentially granted antitrust exemption (if not overtly, then it was a de facto exemption since no move was made to address this for decades) early on to allow for the development of the communication infrastructure. Once the decision was made to lift that protection, Ma Bell was clearly a monopoly in violation of antitrust legislation.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 5:07 pm to
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want the internet to stay the same as it is now.


Did you like it prior to 2015.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:36 pm to
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Did you like it prior to 2015.

This is the laziest argument against NN regulation there is. You have to assume that market conditions never change (they do), that we as consumers and citizens never change our demands (we do), that shareholders will stop demanding more profits (they won't), that technological progress itself doesn't change things (it does), etc., in order for this argument to hold any weight at all.

You have to be so entrenched in a conservative mindset that you are completely blind to what's happening in the world in order to be swayed by this argument. Actually that's probably an accurate description of a significant portion of the Republican party.

NN is a big issue for the general public now (it has been a hot topic in the tech world for over a decade) because things have progressed to the point that was expected. That is, data caps (and the associated fees) are now being used as a weapon by ISPs to hinder competition from streaming video competitors. The next step is paid fast lanes, which will be in effect a tax levied by private entities on their competition. This is an objectively bad thing, but the current administration doesn't seem to think so.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18645 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:46 pm to
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That is, data caps (and the associated fees) are now being used as a weapon by ISPs to hinder competition from streaming video competitors.


Well, we have Title II right now, so it's good to see that Title II prevents this. Oh, wait...
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13165 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:13 pm to
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the last thing anyone should want is corporations controlling what you see and do online.


I will take free enterprise in our market economy every time over government control. We saw what government control can do under the Obama administration basically using government power as a political weapon. No thanks.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125416 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:31 pm to
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I will take free enterprise in our market economy every time over government control


We don't have that with ISPs

quote:

We saw what government control can do under the Obama administration basically using government power as a political weapon. No thanks.


Another person playing team politics for their reason being anti NN.
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
13123 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:55 pm to
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Did you like it prior to 2015.




This is an incredibly dishonest talking point, but you already know that given your constant trolling on this issue.

Next you'll bring up the FTC?
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 9:58 pm
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:59 pm to
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Did you like it prior to 2015.


No. Comcast throttled my connection to Netflix back then
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 12:00 am
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