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Is AT&T Next a terrible deal?

Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:14 pm
I went to Best Buy the other day to upgrade from a 2 1/2 year old Samsung Galaxy Note 2. Ended up getting the new Galaxy S6 on the 12 month lease for $40/mo. The way it was explained to me by the salesman and confirmed on the phone with an AT&T customer service rep, was that if I bought the phone for $299 with a 2 years service agreement like I have previously done, they add on a $25/mo service charge for 2 years to your contract. Doing the math, I can upgrade every 12 months for basically the same price as signing a 2 year contract.

Am I getting hosed?

Edit:

I probably should have read this before buying it, but it's not too late. I've got another week to decide. I might just pay full price for the phone and then sell it when I'm ready to upgrade. LINK
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:28 pm to
I've seen smart people on here argue both sides with 100% certainty so I have no clue.
Posted by STBTigerr
Mandeville/New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:30 pm to
That article looks like it was written before they reduced the price of the next plan. At that point it was a huge ripoff because you were paying the same plan price as a 2-year contract buyer plus the full price of the phone broken into monthly payments.

Do the math yourself and compare it to your other options...don't let an article tell you what's better. For me, over a 2 year span I came out a little cheaper with Next but still have the option to upgrade early. You may already know this too, but you don't have to trade in the phone if you pay all of the monthly payments.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:32 pm to
You're probably losing a little money by turning it in for a new phone and not selling on eBay/craigslist and then buying your next phone. If you don't do the trade in, just pretend you bought the phone for full cash price, the next plan is just the retail price of the phone divided up into equal payments over the term. You're right though, for $25 extra dollars a month in your plan, the next plan (or buying outright) is better than buying a subsidized phone.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:36 pm to
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You're right though, for $25 extra dollars a month in your plan, the next plan (or buying outright) is better than buying a subsidized phone.



That is where they get you, the $25 extra per month tacked onto your bill if you sign a contract verses Next.

I'll have to sit down and crunch the numbers.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:39 pm to
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You may already know this too, but you don't have to trade in the phone if you pay all of the monthly payments.
Yeah, the 12 month upgrade is divided into 20 monthly payments I think. 12/20, 18/24, and 24/30 if I remember correctly.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Huck Finn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
2455 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:41 pm to
I tried yesterday to upgrade from my Galaxy S4 to pre-order the LG G4 ($100 gift card incentive). AT&T made all 3rd party sellers stop selling any plans but Next. It would suck for me because I have the unlimited data (please for the love of chocolate don't come freaking out about me saying the "unlimited").
I'm not at all enticed by Next and if they forced me to get off my 2-yr contract, I'd be walking into the competing carrier's store within 12 minutes.
To answer your question, OP, I don't think anyone thinks Next is a terrible deal, but there are so many variables. For some it's a better deal, and for some it's worse. The biggest issue for me is that it appears (to me) that you're not in a real binding contract for anything beyond the hardware financing, so what stops them from changing the data amount or any new fees they find in a year or two (now that they've tricked you into stepping off your 2-yr contract that was a marginally better deal then, but a much better one in light of the new changes).

TL:DR version: For some it might be good, but I'm very skeptical and am sticking around for my big data plan.
Posted by TigerBandTuba
Member since Sep 2006
2541 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:42 pm to
When I signed up you could pay $200-250 up front for the fanciest phone and 2 year contract for lets say $100 a month.

Or you could pay nothing up front, $100 a month, and about $25 a month for the phone. BUT, you would get a $25 a month discount for having a NEXT phone and getting a data plan over a certain amount.
Posted by TigerBandTuba
Member since Sep 2006
2541 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:45 pm to
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The biggest issue for me is that it appears (to me) that you're not in a real binding contract for anything beyond the hardware financing, so what stops them from changing the data amount or any new fees they find in a year or two (now that they've tricked you into stepping off your 2-yr contract that was a marginally better deal then, but a much better one in light of the new changes).


This is what bothered me, but you can cancel at anytime and go to another carrier. All you would owe is the remaining balance on the phone. So if in a few months they increase my rates I'll just pay my phone off and take it to another carrier or sell it.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29435 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:46 pm to
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It would suck for me because I have the unlimited data (please for the love of chocolate don't come freaking out about me saying the "unlimited"). 
I was on the old unlimited data plan until several months ago when my wife convinced me to get a shared data plan with her. It really saved us some money and I don't come close to using all of our data. I know how you feel about that plan.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:23 pm to
It depends on how long you keep your phone and various other factors.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:33 pm to
It really depends. On our small business plan it made it worse no matter which way you sliced it. For my wife's individual plan it was good for her. Her bill ended up being $3-4 more a month, but after 24 months her bill will drop by $31/month. Compound that with not having to pay the $299 upfront cost for the phone and it was a big win for her.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29377 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:47 pm to
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Is AT&T Next a terrible deal?

No, not necessarily. You have to realize two things:
#1: AT&T has done a terrible, TERRIBLE job of marketing this.
#2: AT&T is going to jack up the cost of your line if you dont.

I went to the store and told them I wanted to know exactly what I was going to pay, so the girl had an app that she plugged everything into and showed me. That is not available on their website and is part of the confusion.

I ended up with 10gb shared a month with two 128gb iphone 6s for $4 more than I was paying previously for 6gb and a iphone 5 and 5s. It cost me $70/phone in taxes the day of.

If you choose not to use Next, then AT&T will add $25/line when you upgrade. Its not really a "discount" like they say.
Posted by LSU1018
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Member since Feb 2007
7218 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:09 pm to
If you have people you trust to join up on a family deal with, it definitely comes out better. Also, if you are okay with keeping your phone an extra year, you will likely do better. I'm hoping this will drive more companies to possibly lower their overall price of the phones to create competition.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:10 pm to
Before you walked into Best Buy, what were you paying a month for your service (and how much data), and how much did you pay for your Note 2?


But ignoring service costs, let me paste in what I said in an older thread:

If I were on the Mobile Value Plan, I'd just buy my phone outright elsewhere and keep it for as long as I wanted, whether it's 12 months, 6 months, 14 months, etc. Then I'd sell the old phone and use that money toward a new one. For a couple of reasons:

1. Ordering online, depending on your phone choice and where you buy it, may spare you the sales tax that AT&T would charge, or you might get it for less than retail.

2. Smartphones reasonably hold some value for a year or two, even Android phones. For example, if you'd purchased an HTC M8 when it first came out under AT&T Next 12, you'd have paid all sales tax on it (~$58), then $32.50 a month for 12 months, totaling $448 for the phone, which you then give back if you want a new phone. You'll then pay another $448 to use your next phone for a year.

However, after a year, you could've sold that HTC M8, if in good condition, for $350-400. Put that money toward the new phone of similar pricing, and you're paying around $350 tops for your new phone instead of the $450 to AT&T. If you were considering AT&T next 18 or Next 24, it makes even more sense to buy your phone outright instead, because over 18 months, you'd be paying 75% of the value of the phone and then giving it back to AT&T. You could sell that phone for well above 25% of its original value after 18 months. AT&T doesn't penalize you with the $25 add-on if you buy your phone elsewhere, only if you use the 2-year contract subsidy. It's essentially their way of eliminating this option for everyone except the folks with old, grandfathered plans.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5708 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:16 pm to
Just try to understand he motivation for the change. Att wants to get out of selling subsidized phones (the $649 iPhones being sold for $199 + 2 yr contract for example) and having to sneak extra cost into the monthly bill to make up for the cost of the phone. Now, you either pay cash for the phone or finance it at 0% interest and you pay for whatever plan you want and you're not obligated to stay with att, pay an early termination fee if you leave, etc. If you just have to have a subsidized phone, they'll sell it to you, but you're going to pay an extra fee every month to make up for the cheap phone.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29377 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:21 pm to
I was able to get a 128gb iPhone for $4 more a month than the 16gb. I've been wanting a larger phone, and I'm extremely happy I did.

I was already on the family share plan, I switched a few years ago when I had an iPad for work.
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

which you then give back if you want a new phone.



This is wrong. You get to keep the phone when you upgrade unless you trade it in earlier than whatever Next plan you signed up for. In that case, you would simply pay the balance to keep it. I know because I just did this about a month ago.

Next is basically interest-free financing of the phone. That's all it is and the simplest way to put it.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

You get to keep the phone when you upgrade unless you trade it in earlier than whatever Next plan you signed up for. In that case, you would simply pay the balance to keep it.


This is what I meant, but I worded it poorly. Basically, anyone who goes with Next with the intent to trade it in before they pay it off should consider buying the phone elsewhere instead and selling it when they're ready to upgrade. My example was for a brand new phone under ATT Next 12 specifically, where the monthly charge is $32.50 a month for a $650 phone.

Otherwise, yes, it's interest-free financing.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted by wizziko
New Jersey Nets Fan
Member since Jan 2006
35881 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:40 pm to
I been out of contract with Sprint for 6 years. Since then, I've bought all of my phones from ebay and craigslist. I really don't need the latest and greatest so it doesn't bother me. Although I could've capitalized on buying new phones and flipping them but I wasn't sure I wanted to stay with Sprint
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