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re: Internet neutrality

Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:03 am to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:03 am to
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let's start with geography and population density first....

Germany vs. USA.



thats a lazy arse argument for the fact fiber is not in and around every major american city

so try again
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125410 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:04 am to
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Paranoia is inherently irrational. There is nothing irrational about assuming the government will frick up something else.



nah he thinks uncle sam is going to limit what he can look at on the internet or what he can say
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:06 am to
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That flat out false.

Its based on how far behind American infrastructure is.



We're really not that far behind anymore. Better than the UK even. We made great strides in the past year, as soon as the ISP's starting feeling the heat. I think we could still be a lot better off, especially if the ISP's kept their promises.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:06 am to
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nah he thinks uncle sam is going to limit what he can look at on the internet or what he can say


Has the FCC ever regulated political speech?
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:06 am to
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he thinks uncle sam is going to limit ... what he can say


They already are.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125410 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:07 am to
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We're really not that far behind anymore. Better than the UK even. We made great strides in the past year, as soon as the ISP's starting feeling the heat. I think we could still be a lot better off, especially if the ISP's kept their promises.


78% of the UK can get fiber

Fiber trumps Cable every time for multiple reasons.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:07 am to
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he thinks uncle sam is going to limit ... what he can say


They already are.


It's almost like he has never even heard of the FCC.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:08 am to
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Has the FCC ever regulated political speech?


Fairness Doctrine

The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced. The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:09 am to
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78% of the UK can get fiber

Fiber trumps Cable every time for multiple reasons.



Yes, but average speed is still slower.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:10 am to
I'm aware of the fairness doctrine. I was hoping he would respond since he has claimed that fearing the FCC would regulate political speech on the internet is irrational.


My bigger question is why the FCC? If throttling and fastlanes are a concern, why can't a law be passed by the legislature to address that specific concern?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125410 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:11 am to
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Yes, but average speed is still slower.



That could be b/c people don't get the faster speeds if that is based off speed test

When you factor in throttled speeds and sharing bandwidth.

On cable you might be told you are getting 50 down, but in reality at 7pm you are getting 30 something. 50 down on fiber means 50 down.

That and faster speeds are offered here at a better price. Most people don't go for the all out shite like i do. How many american ISP's offer 100 meg down fiber?

20 down here is basically 10 pounds a month
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 10:18 am
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:14 am to
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My bigger question is why the FCC? If throttling and fastlanes are a concern, why can't a law be passed by the legislature to address that specific concern?


Because they want to regulate CONTENT
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:34 am to
The fact of the matter is content will never be able to be regulated on the internet. They are fools for thinking they can. How successful have they been at stopping copyright infringement or dark net markets? They shut one down and 10 more appear. Regulating content on the internet is nothing of concern.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:00 am to
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 Only tests taken within 300 miles of the server are eligible for inclusion in the index
hmmm....
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 11:17 am
Posted by NukemVol
Member since Jan 2010
1633 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:22 am to
They tried. Verizon sued. Won because internet cannot be regulated under Title I. Ergo, Title II.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125410 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:45 am to
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hmmm....



the base infrastructure here is much better.

its up to the isp how fast they want to go
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76482 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:30 pm to
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Net neutrality is supposed to help improve speeds.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 2/25/15 at 9:55 pm to
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Im using my life and work experiences of how things work.


Funny, I'm using my experience with the government saying, "We have to pass it to see what is in it" to know how this is going to work.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18645 posts
Posted on 2/26/15 at 2:21 am to
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Because they want to regulate CONTENT


Can you explain to me, in technical terms, any possible plan in which this can be accomplished?

Really, the simple thought of it is downright fricking absurd.

Now, if you said they were gonna up the ante on surveillance, I would totally agree with you. And I am very skeptical about this proposal because of the way surveillance has been ramped up over the last decade.

But seriously, try take a step back in your paranoia and think critically here.
Posted by Sandy_Ash
Member since Feb 2015
1162 posts
Posted on 2/26/15 at 6:07 am to
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Net Neutrality is more or less what we've had since the beginning of the internet. I wouldn't say it's helped improve speeds, but it's not the reason they are hindered either. They're hindered because ISP's haven't reinvested in their networks enough, even while promising to do just that if they received tax credits/breaks/incentives which they've been getting.

That said, whatever the FCC is voting on I can guarantee is not net neutrality in the strictest of terms. If it were, then the public would be able to see the proposed rules before the vote.

Instead of the 330+ pages of new rules, we get this 4 page fact sheet.


This! If net neutrality was a 1 page bill, then great! But this seems like Obama Care...you have to pass it to see what's inside it. Who knows what crap they put in here.
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