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Holy Cow! Just signed up for gigabit service in Chattanooga, TN

Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:28 pm
Posted by sonusfaber
Chattanooga, TN
Member since Apr 2010
2625 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:28 pm






$70/ month

They just announced 10gb service for $299/ month
Posted by ellunchboxo
Gtown
Member since Feb 2009
18800 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:30 pm to
What's the data cap?
Posted by sonusfaber
Chattanooga, TN
Member since Apr 2010
2625 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:39 pm to
Can't find any. Found a post on reddit asking the same question and best they came up with is there is a legal statement in the terms and conditions describing acceptable use, but no one has actually received a letter.

LINK

> EPB reserves the
right in its sole discretion to enforce bandwidth allotments depending upon your level of
usage and the level of Service(s) purchased. If you have exceeded the appropriate level
of internet usage in any given month, EPB will notify you by phone or in writing. You
agree to pay additional charges upon notice from EPB.

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119238 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:00 pm to
I was on a plane with a guy from Chattanooga recently, said the speed was unbelievable. And now offering 10G. Rediculous.
Posted by ellunchboxo
Gtown
Member since Feb 2009
18800 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:21 pm to
You can say that again
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77992 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:32 pm to
Great for the money, but no practical use for it. Not yet anyway.

Your downloads will be limited by the server you are downloading from.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:59 pm to
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but no practical use for it. Not yet anyway.

Your downloads will be limited by the server you are downloading from.


Again with this shite.
Posted by sonusfaber
Chattanooga, TN
Member since Apr 2010
2625 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:40 pm to
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Great for the money, but no practical use for it.


Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:16 pm to
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but no practical use for it. Not yet anyway.

Your downloads will be limited by the server you are downloading from.



Again with this shite.

Yeah, I don't know why people can't imagine a use case different from their own. Just one torrent can saturate gigabit. Or, maybe you've cut the cord and your family of 5 are all streaming video at prime time and you don't want heavy browsing or downloading to cause buffering (nor do you want the streaming to impact your browsing).

There are countless legitimate ways to use gigabit in the home. Also, I think a lot of servers have fatter pipes than you think. Pretty much any decent site can saturate 100mbit easily, then you've got nothing left for concurrent use.

Are you single?
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
12873 posts
Posted on 11/13/15 at 8:18 am to
hahaha. I pay 55$ a month for ATT UVerse in New Orleans and I get about 22 mb/s.

We're pretty close. And by pretty close I'm mean, Jesus Christ.
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
12873 posts
Posted on 11/13/15 at 8:20 am to
With that said, is EVERYONE in New Orleans, LA limited to just ATT Uverse and Cox?

Or those truly my only choices? How's that not a monopoly for a geographic location? Hate cable companies.
Posted by JinFL
Duuuval
Member since Oct 2004
3940 posts
Posted on 11/13/15 at 10:32 am to
Amazing, coming to Jax, FL soon. Can't wait!
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 11/14/15 at 12:51 pm to
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Yeah, I don't know why people can't imagine a use case different from their own. Just one torrent can saturate gigabit.


Few people are torrenting all day at 1gig, and only the more popular torrents are going to get enough peers to saturate that pipe but yeah if you are really into software and movie theft then you will notice the difference with 1gig.

Another use case is if you're synchronizing lots of data backups from your home to the cloud. You will notice a difference with 1gig depending on how much new data you have to backup. (think movies and pics)

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Or, maybe you've cut the cord and your family of 5 are all streaming video at prime time and you don't want heavy browsing or downloading to cause buffering (nor do you want the streaming to impact your browsing).



You can easily do all this with a 100meg connection. Theoretically you should be able to do this with a 50meg connection, but YMMV.

A lot of people don't realize that it only takes around 6.7mbps bandwidth to stream HD video from Netflix. 4k can be accomplished with 25mbps. I think the point is that few people would notice the difference between a 200mbps connection and a 1gbps connection.

In 5 years we will definitely be tapping into that bandwidth though so I hope everyone gets fiber. As far as 10gig goes for residential use? It'll be a while.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 11/14/15 at 2:36 pm to
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but yeah if you are really into software and movie theft then you will notice the difference with 1gig.

Why do people have to act like only "thieves" would use gigabit? I torrent multi-gig legal files all the time.
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Another use case is if you're synchronizing lots of data backups from your home to the cloud. You will notice a difference with 1gig depending on how much new data you have to backup. (think movies and pics) 

I'm not sure this is true. I think most cloud services limit your upload speed so as not to saturate their pipes.
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You can easily do all this with a 100meg connection. Theoretically you should be able to do this with a 50meg connection, but YMMV. 

There are a whole lot of "theoreticals" when it comes to home broadband. First, you can only really count on getting about 75% of what you pay for, maybe 50% at peak times.
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A lot of people don't realize that it only takes around 6.7mbps bandwidth to stream HD video from Netflix
I do, and I also know that it doesn't take much browsing to impact streaming throughout, especially when multiple people are streaming.
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4k can be accomplished with 25mbps.

Uh huh. A couple streams doesn't leave much room for anything else, does it? Unless you have gigabit.
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I think the point is that few people would notice the difference between a 200mbps connection and a 1gbps connection. 

It's not noticeable the vast majority of the time. But the times it is noticeable will likely mean a drop in video quality, or you may have to work around what others in your home are doing. It's a first world problem for sure, but it's a solvable one, and one that we should be solving more quickly than we are.
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In 5 years we will definitely be tapping into that bandwidth though so I hope everyone gets fiber. As far as 10gig goes for residential use? It'll be a while. 

The thing about the timetable on this is that it depends on the supply of gig and 10gig+ service. Our usage will always swell to fill the available bandwidth. It's like income and budgeting. It's in our nature to spend almost everything we make.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422650 posts
Posted on 11/14/15 at 2:45 pm to
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The thing about the timetable on this is that it depends on the supply of gig and 10gig+ service.

well with the failure rate of municipal gigabit services, i'm skeptical

chatanooga is the exception. the vast majority have turned into money pits that are bleeding the respective municipalities dry

even Chatanooga has issues

quote:

Once the interest on the taxpayer-funded stimulus handout is paid and costs associated with a government bond to help fund the project are calculated, the final tally for EPB’s fiber optic infrastructure is estimated to top $550 million.

Federal taxpayers are on the hook for the $112 million stimulus grant, plus an estimated $46 million in interest. EPB’s electric customers are footing the bill for more than $390 million in bond payments to help cover construction costs related to the fiber network.


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But the bet hasn’t paid off: Few new companies have been lured to the city by the faster Internet and, according to publicly available records, only 11 commercial customers used the service as of January of this year.

Chattanooga shouldn’t expect things to get better in terms of its ability to draw high-tech companies to town because of its gig-speed Internet. Businesses now have many more choices. Twenty-four U.S. cities now offer gigabit Internet, according to PC magazine.

“There’s nothing that makes Chattanooga‘s gigabit Internet stand out from other places that also offer a gig,” Mr. Greene said. “The only difference is the ridiculous amount Chattanooga’s Gig project cost taxpayers.”


and that's the shining example (which had 20%+ subsidized by federal money) of muni-internet

i am being sure to support suddenlink, who is offering a free upgrade to Gig speed for its current 75MB service (which is like $60)
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 11/14/15 at 3:27 pm to
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i am being sure to support suddenlink

Oh, I wouldn't expect anything else from you. Suddenlink is notorious for data caps which give their video services an unfair advantage over others. You claim to love capitalism and competition, but you STILL don't have a clue how to apply these principles to the internet.

Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/14/15 at 9:24 pm to
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A lot of people don't realize that it only takes around 6.7mbps bandwidth to stream HD video from Netflix. 4k can be accomplished with 25mbps.


And it seems a lot of people don't realize that those bit rates are the result of highly compressed streams, which are the result of the average household having relatively low bandwidth. Surely, we want to eventually (if not very soon) see our fancy new 4K TVs (or hell, even our 1080p TVs) truly shine with high-bitrate, low-artifact streaming media, rather than cling onto physical media as our only way to get the highest fidelity (compressed 4K streams really aren't distinguishable from 1080p blu-ray). Personally, I want a reason to buy a big-arse 4K TV on which I won't spend 80-90% of my time watching 720p/1080i broadcast or even a compressed netflix stream.

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In 5 years we will definitely be tapping into that bandwidth though so I hope everyone gets fiber. As far as 10gig goes for residential use? It'll be a while.

Yep, but personally I don't see why it shouldn't be sooner than that. As Kork said, when we get it, we will be damn sure to find ways to use it. The possibilities already exist; it's just that the benefits can't realized without the infrastructure, which can't exist without demand. And I agree about 10gig being ahead of its time in consumer space, since even the top consumer routers can't quite deliver 1gbps WAN to LAN, but we don't want to discourage its existence and fall into the trap of complacency of "adequate" bandwidth for what we do now... Unless we're OK with the way most of the big ISPs are treating us now.

We want the idea of an uncapped internet faucet to be move from novelty status to something more commonplace. The key here is bandwidth, not speed. IoT is the future. I'm actually lagging behind in that regard. Ask CAD how many internet-connected devices are in his house.
This post was edited on 11/14/15 at 9:38 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422650 posts
Posted on 11/14/15 at 9:44 pm to
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You claim to love capitalism and competition, but you STILL don't have a clue how to apply these principles to the internet.

i don't think you understand what capitalism and competition are

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Oh, I wouldn't expect anything else from you. Suddenlink is notorious for data caps which give their video services an unfair advantage over others.

what other private entity offers gigabyte data in LA for under $80/month? that's an honest question
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 11/14/15 at 10:03 pm to
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i don't think you understand what capitalism and competition are

I certainly do. I also understand how the internet in its current form breaks the expectations that capitalism relies on. That's the part that you don't get. Capitalism can't work if all the roads are private and their owners are allowed to control all the traffic.
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what other private entity offers gigabyte data in LA for under $80/month? that's an honest question

Here's a question for you: what are you going to do when you try to actually use that gigabit service to its potential? The only real reason to have it is to stream a lot of hd video, as discussed in this thread. I don't know exactly what suddenlink's cap is, but I would imagine it's a few hundred gigs or so. Enough for about 100 hours of video if you don't do much else online. For a single person, that might not be a problem. For a family, 100 hours of video is nothing, so you're basically forced to bundle tv and suddenlink has driven you out of the streaming video market. Just because you fell for what sounded like a good deal, but it turns out to be far from worth it.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 11/15/15 at 8:07 am to
I can't wait to move so I can get LUS Fiber.
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