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Camera gurus, I need info please
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:07 am
My wife and I are going to see the sequoia trees at the end of May. She has a cannon EOS Rebel T3i with a 50 mm 1:1.8 stm lens. Should I pick her up another lens for quality shots? Thank you in advance for the info.
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:22 am to cubsfinger
Is 50mm your only lens? I would want something a bit more versatile or preferably a separate zoom and a wide angle lens. I would also look at the forums at dpreview.com b/c they have subforums for each camera type with some really good info. If you find a lens out of your price range, you can always rent it. I have used lensrentals.com and have never been disappointed.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:29 am to cubsfinger
I just copied and pasted my post from the OB on the off-chance you don't look over there again.
I see the point regarding an absolute hobbyist who never intends to upgrade/take photography seriously, but what hurts more? Buying cheaper glass to save now that's incompatible with any full frame you buy later? Or going ahead and eating the cost and buying nice glass now that will benefit both your crop sensor and any full frame you buy later.
If you're never going to upgrade to full frame or higher quality crop sensor, there are better options than going out and buying Canon L.
I'd advise against this for the sole reason that the only lens she currently has is a prime. The only reason she should upgrade that 50mm is if she's spending in excess of $1000 on the 50L or something, but still, someone new to photography going on a trip with nothing but a 50mm is a recipe for frustration and a quick turnaround to disinterest in photography.
The T3i is a highly capable camera body. The most important question is really how much are you willing to spend? The Canon 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 is the best kit lens any manufacturer offers IMO, and it can be had used on B&H right now for $280. I(LINK ).
She already has a fast lens, so she may not care that it's relatively slow. It also has image stabilization which makes up for its lack of wide aperture to an extent. That lens has the capability to take some great photos though, and gives her 5x more options than anything suggested in this thread.
The Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8 is also an incredible wide angle for crop sensors, but is nowhere near as versatile as an 18-135mm.
Considering that she only has one lens right now, and that it's a prime, I would go the more versatile route and get the 18-135mm. It will give her the ability take a significantly wider variety of photos effectively, whereas she'll be hamstrung with a wide angle for wildlife/bird photography, or anything else at longer focal lengths.
Re: batteries. Canon bodies are actually pretty good on batteries, and access to an inverter is nice. Still, I wouldn't go on a trip like that without at least 4 batteries. If you want, buy her these. Great quality and super cheap: LINK
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That model is a crop sensor so the canon 10-22 would be best for landscapes.
I wouldn't spend too much on high quality lenses until you upgrade the camera body itself
Don't jump into the L-series in other words
I see the point regarding an absolute hobbyist who never intends to upgrade/take photography seriously, but what hurts more? Buying cheaper glass to save now that's incompatible with any full frame you buy later? Or going ahead and eating the cost and buying nice glass now that will benefit both your crop sensor and any full frame you buy later.
If you're never going to upgrade to full frame or higher quality crop sensor, there are better options than going out and buying Canon L.
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if it were me, I'd get a better 50, unless you are needing some sort of zoom.
I'd advise against this for the sole reason that the only lens she currently has is a prime. The only reason she should upgrade that 50mm is if she's spending in excess of $1000 on the 50L or something, but still, someone new to photography going on a trip with nothing but a 50mm is a recipe for frustration and a quick turnaround to disinterest in photography.
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My wife has the Cannon EOS rebel T3i. We are headed to the see the sequoia trees at the end of May and I want her to have the proper lens for quality shots. Right now the only lens she has is a 50mm 1:1.8 stm. This is jibberish to me and I would like some input as to what lens to get her.
Also how many batteries should we bring for the trip? I know her batteries don't last long. We will have access to an inverter to charge them in the truck. We will be primitive camping on this trip so that will be the only option for charging. Thank you!!
The T3i is a highly capable camera body. The most important question is really how much are you willing to spend? The Canon 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 is the best kit lens any manufacturer offers IMO, and it can be had used on B&H right now for $280. I(LINK ).
She already has a fast lens, so she may not care that it's relatively slow. It also has image stabilization which makes up for its lack of wide aperture to an extent. That lens has the capability to take some great photos though, and gives her 5x more options than anything suggested in this thread.
The Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8 is also an incredible wide angle for crop sensors, but is nowhere near as versatile as an 18-135mm.
Considering that she only has one lens right now, and that it's a prime, I would go the more versatile route and get the 18-135mm. It will give her the ability take a significantly wider variety of photos effectively, whereas she'll be hamstrung with a wide angle for wildlife/bird photography, or anything else at longer focal lengths.
Re: batteries. Canon bodies are actually pretty good on batteries, and access to an inverter is nice. Still, I wouldn't go on a trip like that without at least 4 batteries. If you want, buy her these. Great quality and super cheap: LINK
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:10 pm to cubsfinger
Sigma 18-35 1.8.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:29 pm to NewIberiaHaircut
Notorious for AF problems with Canon bodies.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:12 pm to bluemoons
Awesome reply and thank you for taking the time to explain a few things even though most of it went over my head lol
Posted on 4/28/17 at 4:46 pm to cubsfinger
For any special shoots, you should rent a high quality camera, like the Canon 5D Mark IV camera with a 50mm f/1.2 lens and an 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II US lens.
Go to Lens and Camera Rentals
The dollars spent are well worth it, in my opinion.
The Rebel T3i is really old technology now and never was of real good quality to begin with. The 5D MIV will make your shots look amazing and professional.
Go to Lens and Camera Rentals
The dollars spent are well worth it, in my opinion.
The Rebel T3i is really old technology now and never was of real good quality to begin with. The 5D MIV will make your shots look amazing and professional.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 6:10 pm to HubbaBubba
Buy a used 24-105MM f/4L USM
Posted on 4/28/17 at 6:12 pm to HubbaBubba
That's like telling someone who wants new tires on their Toyota Camry to buy a Ferrari.
The t3i is a fine camera body for someone new to photography whose plans are to learn and decide if photography is for him/her. Someone new to photography would be completely overwhelmed buying/renting a 5d4.
The t3i is a fine camera body for someone new to photography whose plans are to learn and decide if photography is for him/her. Someone new to photography would be completely overwhelmed buying/renting a 5d4.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:48 pm to bluemoons
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Notorious for AF problems with Canon bodies.
Isn't that only an issue on Dual pixel auto focus bodies? Not an issue with the T3i.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:50 pm to bluemoons
quote:I own the 5DM4 and handed it off to my daughter. She's 15 and has produced extraordinary images just keeping it in Auto. The whole point of new technology isn't to make it more difficult to use, as you allude. It's to make it more accessible and to improve its capabilities. The 5DM4 is awesome and easy to use.
bluemoons
And your analogy is seriously flawed.The OP wants to shoot great images, not replace an old lens with a new lens because the old lens needs replacing. Rental houses for cameras are like car rental companies that rent out performance autos for those occasions when you want to experience driving something great but don't want to purchase it.
I'm not saying the OP can't afford to buy a replacement camera, but everyone who wants to produce great photographs doesn't have to be stuck using a lesser camera when a special event calls for a great camera and great lenses. That's where a good rental house comes in.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:12 am to HubbaBubba
No one is questioning the quality of the 5d4. It'll probably be my next camera body. No one is saying it can't make great images in auto mode either. I would hope that for $3500, it can take nice photos with reliable AF in auto mode 
.
All that said, you missed the point entirely. The t3i can make fine images in any mode, and telling someone brand new to photography (who is asking for lens advice) to rent a 5d4 - a professional camera body that takes substantial time to learn properly - just to shoot in auto mode, when they've already got a perfectly capable camera to suit their needs, is absolutely ridiculous. Particularly considering once their rental period is up, they're again left with nothing but a t3i and a 50mm prime. Not to mention, someone new to photography is likely to balk at both the $3500 purchase price of a 5d4 body alone, or the $300+ it would cost to rent a 5d4 plus something like a 24-70 2.8 for a week.
OP's s/o could get a used 18-135mm kit lens to keep and actually learn things for less than it would cost just to rent a 5d4 and an L lens for one week.
Again, no one is doubting the quality of the 5d4, nor is anyone doubting its ability to take incredible photos. That was just bad advice. A t3i with quality glass in skilled hands will produce better images 9 times out of 10 than a professional body like the 5d4 in the hands of a novice photographer. You don't need to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to make good images, and if you believe you do, you don't understand photography as well as you think.
. All that said, you missed the point entirely. The t3i can make fine images in any mode, and telling someone brand new to photography (who is asking for lens advice) to rent a 5d4 - a professional camera body that takes substantial time to learn properly - just to shoot in auto mode, when they've already got a perfectly capable camera to suit their needs, is absolutely ridiculous. Particularly considering once their rental period is up, they're again left with nothing but a t3i and a 50mm prime. Not to mention, someone new to photography is likely to balk at both the $3500 purchase price of a 5d4 body alone, or the $300+ it would cost to rent a 5d4 plus something like a 24-70 2.8 for a week.
OP's s/o could get a used 18-135mm kit lens to keep and actually learn things for less than it would cost just to rent a 5d4 and an L lens for one week.
Again, no one is doubting the quality of the 5d4, nor is anyone doubting its ability to take incredible photos. That was just bad advice. A t3i with quality glass in skilled hands will produce better images 9 times out of 10 than a professional body like the 5d4 in the hands of a novice photographer. You don't need to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to make good images, and if you believe you do, you don't understand photography as well as you think.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:23 am to NewIberiaHaircut
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n't that only an issue on Dual pixel auto focus bodies? Not an issue with the T3i
I'm not sure honestly. You may be right. I went through 3 different copies of the 18-35 1.8 on my 7d2, including a trip to Canon and Sigma, and couldn't get the AF issues solved. I eventually just sent it back to B&H and put the refund towards a new L.
It really bummed me out because I really, really wanted that lens to work with my body. It's a great lens. It missed across the board on my mom's t4i (don't think it's dual pixel. Not 100% sure though) but my issue was unique. It would hit when using the center point in phase detect (through the viewfinder), but would front focus badly on the lateral and vertical points. It hit across the spectrum when shooting in contrast detect, but I hate shooting in live view. According to Canon, it was a fairly common issue with the 7d ii and the 70-80d, so it may be a dual pixel thing. Nonetheless, major bummer because the Sigma Art line is really awesome.
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