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Antenna question
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:23 am
Just closed on a new house. I have been a cord cutter for quite a while now. My old house was in a rural area where I was able to use an external antenna. The new house is in a subdivision where no external antenna are allowed.
During construction I ran RG-6 from the attic to the network box in the garage. I'm approximately 15 miles from a ridge where the local tv network towers reside.
I realize I'm late in asking...but what antenna setup would you guys recommend for the attic? Thanks in advance.
During construction I ran RG-6 from the attic to the network box in the garage. I'm approximately 15 miles from a ridge where the local tv network towers reside.
I realize I'm late in asking...but what antenna setup would you guys recommend for the attic? Thanks in advance.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:34 am to madmaxvol
man, if you're just 15 miles away, any reasonably decent antenna will do you right.
i have this one in the peak of my attic pointing kind-of towards new orleans and i get channels from there and baton rouge. i'm about 50 miles away from each. i don't use the motorized turning part of it, it's stationary.
https://www.trendtimes.com/150-miles-vhf-uhf-fm-hdtv-amplified-tv-antenna-w--remote-rotor-ii.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&id=140495921289&gclid=CK2S_fG8x8cCFQgtaQodPMoBvQ
i have this one in the peak of my attic pointing kind-of towards new orleans and i get channels from there and baton rouge. i'm about 50 miles away from each. i don't use the motorized turning part of it, it's stationary.
https://www.trendtimes.com/150-miles-vhf-uhf-fm-hdtv-amplified-tv-antenna-w--remote-rotor-ii.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&id=140495921289&gclid=CK2S_fG8x8cCFQgtaQodPMoBvQ
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:49 am to Coon
Coon, you have that in your attic and not on the exterior of your roof? Honest question...
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:50 am to The Sad Banana
In my attic. I have it hanging upside down from the peak facing the gable.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:52 am to Coon
Is this so easy, even a caveman can do it?
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:05 am to The Sad Banana
i resemble that remark.....
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:07 am to weadjust
quote:
FCC OTARD (over the air reception devices) rules prevent HOA's from not allowing external antennas.
is it worth opening a can of worms when an internal antenna will work just fine? gotta pick your battles; say one day he wants to keep his 1983 chrystler on blocks in the front yard. he'll have used all his bullets already and be SOL.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:17 am to Coon
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:25 am to Coon
quote:
is it worth opening a can of worms when an internal antenna will work just fine?
Not everyone that reads these threads can get by with an internal antenna. I had to attach my antenna to the chimney in order to get decent reception being 40 miles away from the transmitters. An 83 Chrysler would be a pile of rust after 33 years so I will allow it
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:05 am to Coon
quote:Absolutely. Subdivsion / HOA is relying on flat-out prohibited behavior to tell the OP what to do. You can be polite and informative, but set a limit now.
is it worth opening a can of worms
Heed old Paul Simon when he warns about people imposing "Hey, you can't do that... or this".
Sing it, Paul
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:11 am to DoctorTechnical
quote:
Absolutely. Subdivsion / HOA is relying on flat-out prohibited behavior to tell the OP what to do. You can be polite and informative, but set a limit now.
that's a stupid position to take on anything. just bitching to bitch. he can (or should be able to) accomplish exactly what he wants without getting into a fight over this. yes, if he can't get the channels he wants, question it. but people that go around pushing the limits come under more scrutiny. is it worth being right in this instance, even though you don't have to, and having the powers that be begrudgingly give in then subsequently nit-pick you to death over other random shite they can control?
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:27 am to Coon
quote:How in the holy hell is it a stupid position to take? When people tell you what you can and can't do, and they have absolutely no right to do so... that's a major problem.
that's a stupid position to take on anything.
quote:It's the HOA that is pushing the limits, and I would agree that they deserve more scrutiny.
but people that go around pushing the limits come under more scrutiny.
I think that OP should put his antenna in his attic because it looks nicer, but it's neither stupid nor bitchy to let people know when you don't want to be pushed around.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:35 am to Korkstand
right. but if he's right today, he'll be right in the future as well. it's clearly black and white that it's allowed per the link posted earlier. They (the HOA) wrote the rules like they wanted and he signed the agreement. Now he's going to go back and fight with them about that (even though he's right, mind you) when he can accomplish exactly what he wants without stirring the pot. if he can't catch the channels he wants, no doubt, challenge them. Don't do it just to be all "f you, i can do it because it's allowed and i don't care what you think..."
fwiw, this is why i hate neighborhoods and don't think i'll ever live in one. And because i generally don't like people.
fwiw, this is why i hate neighborhoods and don't think i'll ever live in one. And because i generally don't like people.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:39 am to Coon
I never even thought about putting it upside down at the gable...brilliant.
I went out to some youtube videos and have hit up tvfool.com. I didn't think about the other channels available besides the local major networks. It looks like I may need use two antenna combined through a reverse configured splitter to catch multiple directions. I was worried about how to make it all fit without eating up attic storage space...with an upside down mount, everything should fit pretty easily. Thanks again.
I went out to some youtube videos and have hit up tvfool.com. I didn't think about the other channels available besides the local major networks. It looks like I may need use two antenna combined through a reverse configured splitter to catch multiple directions. I was worried about how to make it all fit without eating up attic storage space...with an upside down mount, everything should fit pretty easily. Thanks again.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:52 am to madmaxvol
i wanted to get it as high as i could and upside down worked for me. note, before you go with multiple antennas, try one. You may get channels from other directions. i'm pointed at new orleans and have BR at 90 deg counterclockwise and catch their channels clear as day.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 2:18 pm to Coon
Satellite dishes and rooftop Over-The-Air antennas.
Most HOA's try to put in covenants about this. When I moved to my home in 2000, I put up a satellite dish and an antenna. The HOA sent me a letter from their Architectural Review Committee telling me I had ten days to remove it. I ignored the letter (more on why in a moment).
A month later, I got another letter from this 'committee' saying that their next step would be to assign the case to an attorney. I requested a meeting with the HOA board.
A month later, we have the meeting. It was brought up for discussion, I stepped up and said that they had no basis to discuss this. The HOA prez. said, "Well.., we have the recommendation of the Architectural Review Committee." I said, "You can't accept the recommendation of something that doesn't exist. The ARC is not a legal committee." I explained that the state of Texas requires any non-profit corporation committee, acting on behalf of the board, to be comprised of a majority of board members itself, and since the committee didn't have a single board member on it, much less a majority, the "committee" didn't legally exist and therefore.... I could just ignore it as I pleased.
They didn't like this, but they did create a new ARC comprised of two board members and one volunteer. Then they had a meeting the next day and sent me a certified letter that I wasn't in compliance. I responded and asked for a hearing before the committee, which was scheduled a month later. A quorum of members of the committee didn't show up (only one person showed up), so no meeting was held. It was scheduled for 30 days later.
This time, they showed up. Asked me nicely to remove the items. I said no, because they had not provided me with the required "notice of site survey" that required I be in attendance when they survey the property for violations. They said, "But we can see them from the street." I said, I don't care. You haven't followed the rules. So, a site survey was set up for the next week. They did that, then asked me to take them down. I said, "no, you haven't given me the required notice after the site survey for a meeting to discuss any perceived violations. The first meeting wasn't legal because you hadn't met the first requirement."
I was seriously screwing around with them for fun, because I had an Ace in my back pocket that I could have brought out at any time and stopped this nonsense, but I just love tweaking people's noses who try to dictate to others. Moving on....
The notice of a violation was received, I waited ten days to respond. Another meeting was set up for a month later. I attended the meeting. They had a quorum. This time, they even had an attorney present. It made it all the more delicious when I whipped out a printed copy for each committee member of the Federal Communications Commission 1997 Telecommunications Act. It forbids any agency or association from dictating placement or use of any satellite dish under 1 meter in width or any over-the-air rooftop antenna designed for local reception (not long distance). I pointed out that they could not dictate placement, use, color, position or height. In fact, I pointed out that I was allowed by federal law to place my antenna up to twelve feet above the highest point of my top roofline, which includes chimney stacks.
The attorney took one look at it and told the board that unless the law had been changed, that the covenants were in violation of federal law. I just sat there, smugly smiling. The chairman looked at me and the others and asked me why I put the board through all of the trouble if I knew this. I just said, "well... I'm married now, and don't get to chase skirts anymore, but I still like the thrill of the hunt and like to play my fish and not reel them in too quickly. I suppose I was just having some fun and making sport of all you guys who try to stick your noses in other people's private business."
The attorney smiled. The antenna is still up. I still live here and they don't frick with me too often anymore.
Most HOA's try to put in covenants about this. When I moved to my home in 2000, I put up a satellite dish and an antenna. The HOA sent me a letter from their Architectural Review Committee telling me I had ten days to remove it. I ignored the letter (more on why in a moment).
A month later, I got another letter from this 'committee' saying that their next step would be to assign the case to an attorney. I requested a meeting with the HOA board.
A month later, we have the meeting. It was brought up for discussion, I stepped up and said that they had no basis to discuss this. The HOA prez. said, "Well.., we have the recommendation of the Architectural Review Committee." I said, "You can't accept the recommendation of something that doesn't exist. The ARC is not a legal committee." I explained that the state of Texas requires any non-profit corporation committee, acting on behalf of the board, to be comprised of a majority of board members itself, and since the committee didn't have a single board member on it, much less a majority, the "committee" didn't legally exist and therefore.... I could just ignore it as I pleased.
They didn't like this, but they did create a new ARC comprised of two board members and one volunteer. Then they had a meeting the next day and sent me a certified letter that I wasn't in compliance. I responded and asked for a hearing before the committee, which was scheduled a month later. A quorum of members of the committee didn't show up (only one person showed up), so no meeting was held. It was scheduled for 30 days later.
This time, they showed up. Asked me nicely to remove the items. I said no, because they had not provided me with the required "notice of site survey" that required I be in attendance when they survey the property for violations. They said, "But we can see them from the street." I said, I don't care. You haven't followed the rules. So, a site survey was set up for the next week. They did that, then asked me to take them down. I said, "no, you haven't given me the required notice after the site survey for a meeting to discuss any perceived violations. The first meeting wasn't legal because you hadn't met the first requirement."
I was seriously screwing around with them for fun, because I had an Ace in my back pocket that I could have brought out at any time and stopped this nonsense, but I just love tweaking people's noses who try to dictate to others. Moving on....
The notice of a violation was received, I waited ten days to respond. Another meeting was set up for a month later. I attended the meeting. They had a quorum. This time, they even had an attorney present. It made it all the more delicious when I whipped out a printed copy for each committee member of the Federal Communications Commission 1997 Telecommunications Act. It forbids any agency or association from dictating placement or use of any satellite dish under 1 meter in width or any over-the-air rooftop antenna designed for local reception (not long distance). I pointed out that they could not dictate placement, use, color, position or height. In fact, I pointed out that I was allowed by federal law to place my antenna up to twelve feet above the highest point of my top roofline, which includes chimney stacks.
The attorney took one look at it and told the board that unless the law had been changed, that the covenants were in violation of federal law. I just sat there, smugly smiling. The chairman looked at me and the others and asked me why I put the board through all of the trouble if I knew this. I just said, "well... I'm married now, and don't get to chase skirts anymore, but I still like the thrill of the hunt and like to play my fish and not reel them in too quickly. I suppose I was just having some fun and making sport of all you guys who try to stick your noses in other people's private business."
The attorney smiled. The antenna is still up. I still live here and they don't frick with me too often anymore.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:23 pm to madmaxvol
Follow-up...
Picked up a Clear Stream 4V and mounted it in the attic this weekend (picked it up from Antennas Direct for $119). Couldn't be happier. I get everything I was looking for without having to split 2 antenna. Thanks for the help everyone.
Picked up a Clear Stream 4V and mounted it in the attic this weekend (picked it up from Antennas Direct for $119). Couldn't be happier. I get everything I was looking for without having to split 2 antenna. Thanks for the help everyone.
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