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re: Amazon Echo vs Google Home - Which is best?
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:10 am to Korkstand
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:10 am to Korkstand
i'm on the fence. neither alexa nor home properly control hue lights.
alexa can't figure out names if you change the names of lights without deleting everything and reimporting all your shite.
home seems to not import all the hue lights so about half dont work.
growing pains i'm sure.
alexa can't figure out names if you change the names of lights without deleting everything and reimporting all your shite.
home seems to not import all the hue lights so about half dont work.
growing pains i'm sure.
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Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:13 am to bbap
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Yeah just to reply to you. Like a smart phone speaker. Obviously i was talking about it not having a speaker to play music.
I've used the dot to play music for my daughter plenty of times. She doesn't really care if it is coming from the echo or dot, she's 2.5, it entertains her either way. It does an ok job of playing music when you are just screwing around in the kitchen and you don't have to take up space. Ours is hidden underneath a cabinet.
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Hate to break it to you but outside of 10 skills on echo/dot or actions on GH no one uses that stuff. In fact the whole skills/actions are the worst part of alexa/GH. Terrible integration.
I use a lot more skills than that pretty regularly. Sorry you don't find more use with your stuff.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:16 am to CAD703X
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alexa can't figure out names if you change the names of lights without deleting everything and reimporting all your shite.
Why do you keep changing your shite?
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:39 am to Korkstand
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Skills/actions are the equivalent of "apps" on Android or iPhone, and you are arguing that they are basically useless and are the worst part of the platforms.
Yes i am. I know quite a few people with both google home and alexa and no one even uses one of the skills/actions much less 10.
Having to say "Alexa speak to xxx skill" or doing the same with google home loses 99% of people immediately.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:40 am to Dam Guide
my names weren't voice friendly. i have a gold lamp with an osram bulb i named 'gold osram lamp' and alexa cant understand that.
the other one was a disaster..i have a lamp in the shape of an owl so i called it the 'owl light'.
the other night i was sneaking to the laundry room while the SO was rocking the baby and i said to alexa 'turn on the owl light'.
well alexa thought i said 'ALL LIGHTS'...
its funny now, it wasnt then.
the other one was a disaster..i have a lamp in the shape of an owl so i called it the 'owl light'.
the other night i was sneaking to the laundry room while the SO was rocking the baby and i said to alexa 'turn on the owl light'.
well alexa thought i said 'ALL LIGHTS'...
its funny now, it wasnt then.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:00 am to bbap
quote:Like I said, we are still very early in this game. I mainly use the skills for Plex and my ecobee, in addition to the "standard" skills. And when I get some smart lights and other devices, I'm sure I'll use those skills, too. As will others.
Yes i am. I know quite a few people with both google home and alexa and no one even uses one of the skills/actions much less 10.
quote:But you don't have to be that wordy. You just say "alexa set ecobee to 72", or "alexa ask plex to play whatever", or "alexa turn off bedroom lights" and it's done. You don't always have to specify "x skill", it usually just does the right thing as long as you give enough information. If you ask me, it's already pretty good at understanding what you want, and it can only get better.
Having to say "Alexa speak to xxx skill" or doing the same with google home loses 99% of people immediately.
And it's not like anyone is ever going to install hundreds of skills so that it's impossible to remember how to do things. You will just find the ones you need/like and get used to them, then the voice commands become natural.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:17 am to Korkstand
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You will just find the ones you need/like and get used to them, then the voice commands become natural.
I agree, the Harmony skill was like that for me. I can say " Echo, tell Harmony turn on Roku" or " Echo, tell Harmony got to Netflix" and it works great.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:30 am to Korkstand
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But you don't have to be that wordy. You just say "alexa set ecobee to 72", or "alexa ask plex to play whatever", or "alexa turn off bedroom lights" and it's done
Are you sure HA is an actual skill? Because GH takes care of all that naturally.
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And it's not like anyone is ever going to install hundreds of skills so that it's impossible to remember how to do things.
Another reason people don't really use them.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:54 am to bbap
quote:The ecobee and plex skills on Echo are actual skills, and the commands to use them feel very natural to me. I don't have any smart lights, but I know people that do and the commands are very natural. I also don't have a GH, but I imagine the actions use language that is as natural as possible. Is your complaint that sometimes you have to use the name of a product/service in order for it to understand?
Are you sure HA is an actual skill? Because GH takes care of all that naturally.
quote:What are you even talking about at this point? I take your position to be that having thousands of skills available is somehow a bad thing because something something hard to use. My point is that any given household might only need a dozen or so skills. So it's not like you have to remember some arcane command or obscure skill name in order to do anything. Instead, you just use natural language to say what you want to happen.quote:Another reason people don't really use them.
And it's not like anyone is ever going to install hundreds of skills so that it's impossible to remember how to do things.
I really don't see the problem.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:19 pm to Korkstand
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Is your complaint that sometimes you have to use the name of a product/service in order for it to understand?
For HA i do not. Like i said it is natural. But for silly little recipe skills/actions as an example it loses its luster when you have to tell the assistant to access that skill/action first.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:21 pm to Korkstand
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What are you even talking about at this point? I take your position to be that having thousands of skills available is somehow a bad thing because something something hard to use. My point is that any given household might only need a dozen or so skills. So it's not like you have to remember some arcane command or obscure skill name in order to do anything. Instead, you just use natural language to say what you want to happen.
I really don't see the problem.
My point is saying one has 10,000 skills is somehow better than another have 1,000 skills is pointless. They dont get used. There are probably 10-20 skills that both have that are used by 90% of customers. Outside of that its just garbage/fluff.
And even the ones that do get used some are pretty pointless for a lot of people.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:37 pm to bbap
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bbap
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no one uses that stuff.
Because you know these ones. Of which none of the ones you know all of use said stuff.
You're here speaking in absolutes based on zero knowledge and haven't provided any links about which commands are and aren't used. It's hilarious
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:39 pm to bbap
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bbap
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Yes i am. I know quite a few people with both google home and alexa and no one even uses one of the skills/actions much less 10.
Having to say "Alexa speak to xxx skill" or doing the same with google home loses 99% of people immediately.
You don't have to enable skills with Alexa-enabled Amazon devices anymore. You just use the call word and utilize the command. Hello and welcome to late March!
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:43 pm to bbap
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bbap
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My point is saying one has 10,000 skills is somehow better than another have 1,000 skills is pointless. They dont get used. There are probably 10-20 skills that both have that are used by 90% of customers. Outside of that its just garbage/fluff.
And even the ones that do get used some are pretty pointless for a lot of people.
Which is idiotic. As a consumer product, you want to cast as large of a net across as wide of a demographic set as you can in order to appeal (read: sell) to as many potential buyers of your products as possible.
People have different interests, tastes, wants, needs, likes & preferences. The more differentiation you can give to everyone the better.
Who cares if you only use 10-20. Your 10-20 may be another person's unused skills altogether. But they have their own 10-20 that they prefer. That may or may not be completely unlike your own.
Having more appeals to a wider audience, which makes your product's appeal far greater to said larger audience, which drives sales and increases and helps maintain market share.
Your point is idiotic. At best.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:45 pm to GFunk
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You don't have to enable skills with Alexa-enabled Amazon devices anymore. You just use the call word and utilize the command. Hello and welcome to late March!
Isn't that what i just said. You don't have to enable them in GH either, still doesnt make them that useful.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:47 pm to GFunk
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Your point is idiotic. At best.
Not really. Most of them are just stupid silly little things. You don't have to defend everything amazon bud. You can admit it. It's not different on the GH. They add hundreds every week that no one uses.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 1:19 pm to bbap
quote:You keep saying that, but you have absolutely no data. I'd bet that every single skill or action has a least one user (the creator), and most probably have at least one more user. So what if a particular skill/action only has a handful of users? What if that particular skill is the killer feature for that person?
that no one uses
You should probably read up on the "long tail" and maybe you'll understand why your argument isn't much of an argument.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 1:30 pm to bbap
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bbap
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no one uses.
This is completely uninformed conjecture on your part that you just pass off as understood fact.
It also flies in the face of logic when it comes to selling consumer products.
In short. You're either willfully or blissfully ignorant. I'd sincerely hope it's the latter for you.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 7:01 am to humblepie
Love my dot. What a cheap and good internet radio for work.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 10:38 am to FreddieMac
Anyone seen the new Echo Show that was release today. Will be pretty awesome for further home automation. New voice calls and messaging coming between all echo devices. Video calls and apps with new Echo Show.
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