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4k/2160p vs 1080p HDTV
Posted on 1/30/15 at 1:22 am
Posted on 1/30/15 at 1:22 am
Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I'm in the market for a new tv since I've moved. Looking at about a 60" tv. 1080p HDTV Smart TVs in brands like samsung and Panasonic are going for about $750 to $1100 and are pretty impressive.
I was recently educated about 4k/2160p. Found a pretty good deal on a Vizio 65" 4k HDTV smart tv (limited sale before Super Bowl Sunday) for $1499 with additional 10% off (making it $1350).
What is the boards opinion between these two price ranges in comparison to quality? Is it worth it to fork out the extra dough for 4k right now?
I was recently educated about 4k/2160p. Found a pretty good deal on a Vizio 65" 4k HDTV smart tv (limited sale before Super Bowl Sunday) for $1499 with additional 10% off (making it $1350).
What is the boards opinion between these two price ranges in comparison to quality? Is it worth it to fork out the extra dough for 4k right now?
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Posted on 1/30/15 at 1:31 am to U R TIGA B8
Nothing is broadcast in 4k with an extreme few exceptions. Waste of money.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 1:37 am to U R TIGA B8
If you can comfortably spend 1450-1500 (after tax, etc.) on a tv, then maybe go for it. Now to notice a difference from your 1080p to 2160p, you will have to be sitting pretty close to notice a difference.
On top of that, content is pretty limited in 4k, Netflix has a few series in 4k, youtube even less, but other than that, only special events are broadcast in 4k (such as the super bowl) and 4k may not take off until 4k tv sales rise to show a demand for it. By the time 4k is widespread, your 4k tv may be outdated, and of course you will want a new one. So in addition to you buying a 4k TV, try convincing some of your buddies to get one as well and help fight for the cause. Personally I don't see the use for one at the moment (I just picked up a HD/3D/3LCD projector instead), but you may see the value in saying you have a 4k TV before everyone else.
eta: Also, if youre planning on streaming 4k, make sure you have at least 25Mbps downstream on your internet connection.
On top of that, content is pretty limited in 4k, Netflix has a few series in 4k, youtube even less, but other than that, only special events are broadcast in 4k (such as the super bowl) and 4k may not take off until 4k tv sales rise to show a demand for it. By the time 4k is widespread, your 4k tv may be outdated, and of course you will want a new one. So in addition to you buying a 4k TV, try convincing some of your buddies to get one as well and help fight for the cause. Personally I don't see the use for one at the moment (I just picked up a HD/3D/3LCD projector instead), but you may see the value in saying you have a 4k TV before everyone else.
eta: Also, if youre planning on streaming 4k, make sure you have at least 25Mbps downstream on your internet connection.
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 1:46 am
Posted on 1/30/15 at 1:39 am to SG_Geaux
It's coming pretty quick though, if I was getting a new TV I'd get 4K.
Ultra HD BluRay players and discs will be available later this year (backwards compatible).
I know all the new Netflix hits are streaming in 4K and Netflix's UHD service ($11.99) launches in August. Amazon is streaming quite a few movies and their original shows in 4K already as well.
Ultra HD BluRay players and discs will be available later this year (backwards compatible).
I know all the new Netflix hits are streaming in 4K and Netflix's UHD service ($11.99) launches in August. Amazon is streaming quite a few movies and their original shows in 4K already as well.
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 1:44 am
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:57 am to UltimateHog
To be honest, I'd be less concerned with the 1080p/4k comparison than I would be about the 60-65" comparison. It only seems like 5" difference, but that 5" means you'll get a 17% larger screen.
If I were in your shoes, I'd probably go with this, but I'm a plasma honk:
64" Samsung Plasma
If I were in your shoes, I'd probably go with this, but I'm a plasma honk:
64" Samsung Plasma
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:43 am to SG_Geaux
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Nothing is broadcast in 4k with an extreme few exceptions. Waste of money
Not necessarily. The new 4K sets are capable of a much broader color spectrum and have the ability to create deeper blacks. You won't get a true 4K picture from standard broadcasts but the picture will still be better than what most 1080p set can put out.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:49 am to U R TIGA B8
I bought the Vizio P-Series 4K about a month ago. Best looking screen I've seen to date and I have never been a big Vizio fan. I went online and found some color calibrations for it and it is amazing.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:05 pm to MightyYat
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You won't get a true 4K picture from standard broadcasts but the picture will still be better than what most 1080p set can put out.
Resolution doesn't matter for broadcast tv. Nothing even out there in 1080p now.
Better looking for a plasma or a full array led then worrying about resolution
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:26 pm to UltimaParadox
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Resolution doesn't matter for broadcast tv. Nothing even out there in 1080p now.
He said that, however it upscales and 4K upscaled > 1080 upscaled. DirecTV and Comcast offer their OnDemand content in 4K already too. Plenty of 4K content coming this year across the board, I'll probably grab one later this year.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:26 pm to UltimateHog
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He said that, however it upscales and 4K upscaled > 1080 upscaled. DirecTV and Comcast offer their OnDemand content in 4K already too. Plenty of 4K content coming this year across the board, I'll probably grab one later this year.
It's so tempting, but I have a large living room and don't sit close enough to warrant 4k...
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:31 pm to UltimateHog
quote:There's something I won't be using. Thanks Comcast!
I know all the new Netflix hits are streaming in 4K and Netflix's UHD service ($11.99) launches in August
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:02 pm to LewDawg
Directv will launch a 4k channel late this year or early 2016. Nothing will be live content for a while
I'd wait until holday season. Will go down another 10-15%
I'd wait until holday season. Will go down another 10-15%
Posted on 1/31/15 at 11:20 pm to dallastiger55
I know they shoot porn in 4K now. I guess you could see all that action on your TV in all it's glory 
Posted on 2/1/15 at 6:28 am to BamaHater
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I know they shoot porn in 4K now.
You probably just sold 2 or 3 on here.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 10:27 am to U R TIGA B8
The human eye can resolve around 576 megapixels, but only about 7 megapixels matter. Think about it. When you watch TV, or a computer screen or a movie at the theater (BTW - those glorious Digital Cinemas are generally 2K, not 4K) while you "see" the screen, the areas that your eyes focus on are very small. Try this...
... you're reading this, AND you can see the other items on the page, but to read them, you must shift your focus from reading this post to reading the other content. How close are you? See what I mean?
This video helps explain how the eye resolves pixels. LINK
That being said, you really can truly focus on about a 2 megapixel zone . So why is 4K (and even upcoming 8K) important if you sit further away? Because if all things are being equal, no matter the viewing distance, a 4K set provides 4X the number of available pixels in that focus area. If within that area of acute focus, the number of pixels in a 1080p screen might be only .5 megapixels, but in the same area on a 4K set, you would be able to resolve 2 megapixels. Cool.
While it is true that at certain distances, size matters, but the math remains constant to the visible area of focus. 4K at any distance will look better until the eye's available pixels for an area of focus are less than the pixels available in the same area provided by the display.
Since I work with 4K and 8K video for military and other goverment agencies, my eyes have become accustomed to seeing it and I can quickly tell from many distances the differences. Additionally, in my world, we regularly see 15 fps 4K is good enough because we're not looking at pretty waterfalls and sports with fast moving action. 30 fps is really a great sweet spot in commercial, industrial and military applications that need to resolve that much data. 60 fps is great for tv, movies and gameplay, so be sure the set you buy has HDMI 2.0 capability.
Personally, my next set will be 4K, but like others, I love my Plasma and the deep blacks I get, so will be patient and wait for OLED 4K dispays to come down in price. LED just can't match OLED in contrast and pure black, so it's worth waiting for production returns to become greater and prices to come down. If I needed something RIGHT NOW! then I might pull the trigger on an inexpenive 4K set now, but otherwise, I'd wait.
My two cents.
... you're reading this, AND you can see the other items on the page, but to read them, you must shift your focus from reading this post to reading the other content. How close are you? See what I mean?
This video helps explain how the eye resolves pixels. LINK
That being said, you really can truly focus on about a 2 megapixel zone . So why is 4K (and even upcoming 8K) important if you sit further away? Because if all things are being equal, no matter the viewing distance, a 4K set provides 4X the number of available pixels in that focus area. If within that area of acute focus, the number of pixels in a 1080p screen might be only .5 megapixels, but in the same area on a 4K set, you would be able to resolve 2 megapixels. Cool.
While it is true that at certain distances, size matters, but the math remains constant to the visible area of focus. 4K at any distance will look better until the eye's available pixels for an area of focus are less than the pixels available in the same area provided by the display.
Since I work with 4K and 8K video for military and other goverment agencies, my eyes have become accustomed to seeing it and I can quickly tell from many distances the differences. Additionally, in my world, we regularly see 15 fps 4K is good enough because we're not looking at pretty waterfalls and sports with fast moving action. 30 fps is really a great sweet spot in commercial, industrial and military applications that need to resolve that much data. 60 fps is great for tv, movies and gameplay, so be sure the set you buy has HDMI 2.0 capability.
Personally, my next set will be 4K, but like others, I love my Plasma and the deep blacks I get, so will be patient and wait for OLED 4K dispays to come down in price. LED just can't match OLED in contrast and pure black, so it's worth waiting for production returns to become greater and prices to come down. If I needed something RIGHT NOW! then I might pull the trigger on an inexpenive 4K set now, but otherwise, I'd wait.
My two cents.
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