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When does everyone think MLS says no more expansion
Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:46 pm
The league is already pretty big with 20 teams which is about the max for most first divisions in the world.
We still have on deck LA, ATL, Minn and Mia which brings us to 24 teams. Then you still have STL, San Antonio, Sacramento, Vegas Indy and Austin all trying to get a team.
Eventually there is a point when the league is not sustainable for the amount of teams and it dilutes the talent pool.
Even though the owners have said no chance on promotion relegation if the league gets damn near 30 teams might as well push it to 36 and have an MLS and MLS 2 under the same structure.
We still have on deck LA, ATL, Minn and Mia which brings us to 24 teams. Then you still have STL, San Antonio, Sacramento, Vegas Indy and Austin all trying to get a team.
Eventually there is a point when the league is not sustainable for the amount of teams and it dilutes the talent pool.
Even though the owners have said no chance on promotion relegation if the league gets damn near 30 teams might as well push it to 36 and have an MLS and MLS 2 under the same structure.
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I pray to god that we get to 40 teams, and implement a 2 division system.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 5:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The league is already pretty big with 20 teams which is about the max for most first divisions in the world
Most first divisions in the World are not in the United states. As long as the TV revenue/gate can be supported I dont think they will stop for a while. Plenty of room to grow into bigger and better national TV and media contracts and those are maximized through having franchises in good media markets. This isnt Europe no matter how many folks want it to be or try to compare the situations. I dont ever think there will be relegation between and two or more divisions. Large population with a high percentage of disposable income per captia.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 5:31 pm to kilo
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Most first divisions in the World are not in the United states. As long as the TV revenue/gate can be supported I dont think they will stop for a while.
At some point it makes scheduling impossible.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 5:39 pm to TN Bhoy
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At some point it makes scheduling impossible.
If you are trying to schedule like the European 1st divisions. Again, this thing isnt going to end up mirroring first divisions in Europe.
Think about this for a second
Population of the 5 countries that make up the "Big 5" First divisions in Europe; Germany,England+Wales,France,Italy and Spain: 307 Million.
Population of the untied States: 322 Million.
The US also has the more prominent media markets for growth, higher discretionary income per capita etc.
I love the structure of the European First divisions but I am a realist in that the MLS will be different because the US is different.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 9:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
No more than 32
Posted on 7/9/15 at 9:40 pm to cheesesteak501
I'm hoping FC Edmonton gets in.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 10:15 pm to cheesesteak501
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No more than 32
I think that number is probably close to the mark. In order for the MLS to compete with the other professional leagues in the U.S. it has to saturate some/same markets as the other pro sports with local franchises and their product. Cant keep dropping teams in markets that are "soccer rich" but overall sports/media market poor.
NFL: 32
MLB: 30
NBA: 30
NHL: 30
MLS: 20
I get and understand the love of the Euro relegation/promotion system but for the league and sport to thrive and prosper here it will have to adapt to our sporting culture and business environment. The MLS HAS to compete with four established major sports leagues for revenue. That just isnt the case anywhere else in the world.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 10:23 pm to Tennessee Jed
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I pray to god that we get to 40 teams, and implement a 2 division system
Wow! Support this but dreaming of a proper point system is the best I can do.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 10:26 pm to cattus
What's wrong with the points system?
Posted on 7/10/15 at 6:38 am to kilo
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Most first divisions in the World are not in the United states. As long as the TV revenue/gate can be supported I dont think they will stop for a while. Plenty of room to grow into bigger and better national TV and media contracts and those are maximized through having franchises in good media markets. This isnt Europe no matter how many folks want it to be or try to compare the situations. I dont ever think there will be relegation between and two or more divisions. Large population with a high percentage of disposable income per captia.
All good points but travel will be a huge factor and already is in the MLS and to many teams will make the quality worse.
But if we do push it to the max a two division system is a must. Make every match count for those at the bottom.
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If you are trying to schedule like the European 1st divisions. Again, this thing isnt going to end up mirroring first divisions in Europe.
Think about this for a second
Population of the 5 countries that make up the "Big 5" First divisions in Europe; Germany,England+Wales,France,Italy and Spain: 307 Million.
Population of the untied States: 322 Million.
The US also has the more prominent media markets for growth, higher discretionary income per capita etc.
I love the structure of the European First divisions but I am a realist in that the MLS will be different because the US is different.
What is a feasible way to schedule a 32 team soccer league for 8 months with every team having to play each other at least once. You are looking at damn near 50 matches a year with long road trips. Its just not sustainable for the sport.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 6:48 am
Posted on 7/10/15 at 6:40 am to kilo
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I think that number is probably close to the mark. In order for the MLS to compete with the other professional leagues in the U.S. it has to saturate some/same markets as the other pro sports with local franchises and their product. Cant keep dropping teams in markets that are "soccer rich" but overall sports/media market poor.
NFL: 32
MLB: 30
NBA: 30
NHL: 30
MLS: 20
Difference is those leagues are the best in the world and have the best players playing in them from all over the world and can use what ever model they see fit.
The MLS does not have that luxury and a league with the amount of teams as those leagues would make the quality worse. Unless there is a second division where people realize it won't be as good but it makes every match worth it.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 6:42 am
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:04 am to kilo
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but for the league and sport to thrive and prosper here it will have to adapt to our sporting culture and business environment.
I don't think that's necessarily true at all
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:18 am to StraightCashHomey21
Most other professional sports in USA have over 30 so I think we will get to that number then decide whether to try divisions or stick with the 30-32 teams.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:25 am to SouthOfSouth
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Most other professional sports in USA have over 30 so I think we will get to that number then decide whether to try divisions or stick with the 30-32 teams.
If we go that route which would be great two divisions is a must for a variety of reasons.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:40 am to StraightCashHomey21
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If we go that route which would be great two divisions is a must for a variety of reasons.
Could they set it up like baseball? Have you play 90% of your matches vs teams in your conference? I don't know the reasons why Soccer couldn't be set up similarly to the NFL, NBA, or MLB but I'd love an explanation.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:44 am to SouthOfSouth
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Could they set it up like baseball? Have you play 90% of your matches vs teams in your conference? I don't know the reasons why Soccer couldn't be set up similarly to the NFL, NBA, or MLB but I'd love an explanation.
You would still play every team once plus multiple teams in your division more than once. That puts you over 40 games right there without even thinking about it from march until mid october and multiple matches a week won't work unless the depth of the league is improved big time. Then factor in the playoffs with a larger field.
Its just not sustainable for the sport when you also have World Cups and other international tournaments going on.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 8:46 am
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:56 am to StraightCashHomey21
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You would still play every team once plus multiple teams in your division more than once. That puts you over 40 games right there without even thinking about it from march until mid october and multiple matches a week won't work unless the depth of the league is improved big time. Then factor in the playoffs with a larger field.
You don't have to play every team. The only USA sport that I think does play every team is NBA.
With the addition of new teams, it will obviously improve viewership. I'm sure MLS will get a huge boost in ratings just for bringing in the Atlanta market. Do that for another 8 big markets and you'll see the MLS footprint really start expanding.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:59 am to SouthOfSouth
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You don't have to play every team. The only USA sport that I think does play every team is NBA.
NHL does as well to keep a competitive balance,
NFL clearly can't bc people would die
Baseball could if it wanted to and gets pretty close now with inter league play.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 3:51 pm to StraightCashHomey21
i wonder if MLS will ever have 20 team American and National conferences... hopefully with a NY, LA, and Chicago team in both conferences
then keep the main rivalries in the same conferences, like one gets all the Cascadia teams, the other gets Columbus and D.C. United, etc.
then keep the main rivalries in the same conferences, like one gets all the Cascadia teams, the other gets Columbus and D.C. United, etc.
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