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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. The one shitty CONMEBOL team | Friendly | 1pm CT (FOX)
Posted on 6/9/19 at 5:02 pm to S
Posted on 6/9/19 at 5:02 pm to S
The result doesn’t bother me nearly as much as just the uninspiring performance from the squad as a whole. Maybe the introduction of Adams, Pulisic and Jozy into the starting 11 makes a world of difference. We will see.
I will also say I am not overly concerned about winning the gold cup. I want to see us building for tomorrow with our eyes on qualifying for 2022
I will also say I am not overly concerned about winning the gold cup. I want to see us building for tomorrow with our eyes on qualifying for 2022
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 5:12 pm
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 5:15 pm to etm512
I think there's another factor that no one has considered much when looking at who was called in/who wasn't. How many players would you call in for a tournament that hasn't participated in your system? Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 on the final roster: Boyd, Holmes, and Altidore. Let's say we bring in Nagbe and Wooten as well. Are you comfortable with 1/4 of your field players being unfamiliar with the system? I think Nagbe will get his chance in one of the next camps.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 5:24 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
I think there's another factor that no one has considered much when looking at who was called in/who wasn't. How many players would you call in for a tournament that hasn't participated in your system?
A valid excuse if the system is an effective one. I think so far into Berhalter's tenure, relatively early I know, that question is still very much unanswered. Particularly in light of the fact that it causes several of our best players to play out of position.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 5:31 pm to tigerfan88
quote:Several? Everyone is playing a fairly natural position besides the hybrid DM/RB, and I don't think Lima was bad today.
Particularly in light of the fact that it causes several of our best players to play out of position.
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:33 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
I think there's another factor that no one has considered much when looking at who was called in/who wasn't. How many players would you call in for a tournament that hasn't participated in your system?
We should just try calling in the best players and then playing a formation that suits their skills.
I mean Brazil had casemiro, neymar, etc playing against shitty qatar the other night. And then they were debating whether to call up vinicius or Willian. We bring in scrubs from the playground to play in the gold Cup.
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:13 pm to kengel2
Can’t believe I’m cursed with rooting for teams coaching by Greg berhalter, Alvin Gentry, and Paul Manieri.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 2:24 am to tigerfan88
Paul at least won a title.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:01 am to Broski
I just read this thread after a long, drunken weekend. I remember a thread a while back how people said the U.S. would qualify out of CONMEBOL combining the 2 regions together and World Cup spots 
Jeff Agoos would be the best CB the U.S has right now sans Brooks. That is pretty bad
Jeff Agoos would be the best CB the U.S has right now sans Brooks. That is pretty bad
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:59 am to Girth Donor
So I was in Cincinnati for this shite show. For the moment I think this is the last US game I'm going to travel out of town for.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 9:06 am to itawambadog
I don't blame you one bit. At least in the past when the talent was lacking, the U.S. was compact, organized, great work ethic, and a pretty good counterattacking side. This "system" combined with a lack of talent is real tough to watch.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 9:13 am to pvilleguru
quote:
two individual defensive errors
On which players?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:45 am to Girth Donor
Believe me I haven't walked away from a loss feeling this bad.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:13 am to tigerfan88
quote:
The MLS was perfect when all it was a league to keep players on their feet until they could go to Europe. The issue is now it's "good" enough that players, coaches, and US soccer officials think it's a good proving ground to go straight into the international arena, see Will Trapp and Gregg Berhalter. And it's simply not. Every single player and coach we call up should be proved in Europe.
Conversely, all our concacaf lesser countries have benefited greatly from the MLS. Now the bulk of their players play in the exact same league as the bulk our players, especially bc MLS teams like to develop players from those countries bc they're cheap. This has played a large role in the increasing parity between us and previously much less talented concacaf teams.
I can see what you are saying, and think there is definitely some truth in there.
But I think the more important question is can MLS progress from trash/after-thought, to the kind of good but not good enough level you describe (along with the problems you describe), to, finally, a point where it does start to compete with the proving grounds that is Europe? The academies in the US are WAY better than they used to be and I think that is a good thing the fruits of which we will see in the future. So if the rise of MLS is a problem now because it is in that good but not good enough phase that may actually hamper some of our would-be national team players (or help lesser South/Central American countries more than it helps us), can it someday progress to a domestic league (with the academy development that brings) that actually helps the USMNT?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:44 am to GeismarGeauxer
quote:Miazga from the throw in. Long on the ball over the top.
On which players?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:17 pm to pvilleguru
So...
Last 2 games.
Costs us a goal:
Trapp (Jam)
Steffen
Miazga
Long
Missed point blank goal:
Arriola
Did I miss any?
Last 2 games.
Costs us a goal:
Trapp (Jam)
Steffen
Miazga
Long
Missed point blank goal:
Arriola
Did I miss any?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 1:53 pm to lynxcat
quote:
The blame that is placed on managers in soccer baffles me. The reality is the USMNT isn’t deep enough to beat many teams without our complete A team on the field.
these arguments apply to playing major sides, not Venezuela or Jamaica
Posted on 6/10/19 at 2:58 pm to lynxcat
quote:
The blame that is placed on managers in soccer baffles me. The reality is the USMNT isn’t deep enough to beat many teams without our complete A team on the field.
Who is responsible for putting the "A" team out there?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:37 pm to kengel2
quote:
Who is responsible for putting the "A" team out there?
Who are we blaming for half of our 2-deep being constantly injured?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:51 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Who are we blaming for half of our 2-deep being constantly injured?
Paul Mainieri and Alan Dunn.
ETA: You really believe some of these lineups are the best "available" 11? There is no way.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 4:22 pm
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