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Top Managers
Posted on 12/4/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 1:23 pm
This isn't breaking news to anyone around here, but they make all the difference in the world man, especially at the highest levels. The only sport I can really think of that's close to it is college football, in terms of the influence a new vision can have on a group of players.
What is the reason for this? I assume it's got something to do with the free flowing style of the sport itself. There's not much time for major in-game adjustments so much of the work must be done before kickoff, in terms of tactics and man-management. This makes a strong presence that the players and club believe in huge, which to me seems why you will see these huge swings in performances from clubs at the top levels from season to season.
Watching the City/Chelsea match yesterday, it's crazy that those were the same players (for the most part) that were playing for Mourinho and Pellegrini last season. The additions of Conte and Pep to England have been the biggest signings in the league this year.
After watching that wonderful game yesterday and then the shite show today on Merseyside, the differences a great manager can make are obvious to me.
Anywayyys, carry on queers
ETA I forgot to mention Klopp along with Conte and Pep. The Premier League is wonderful to watch this year.
What is the reason for this? I assume it's got something to do with the free flowing style of the sport itself. There's not much time for major in-game adjustments so much of the work must be done before kickoff, in terms of tactics and man-management. This makes a strong presence that the players and club believe in huge, which to me seems why you will see these huge swings in performances from clubs at the top levels from season to season.
Watching the City/Chelsea match yesterday, it's crazy that those were the same players (for the most part) that were playing for Mourinho and Pellegrini last season. The additions of Conte and Pep to England have been the biggest signings in the league this year.
After watching that wonderful game yesterday and then the shite show today on Merseyside, the differences a great manager can make are obvious to me.
Anywayyys, carry on queers
ETA I forgot to mention Klopp along with Conte and Pep. The Premier League is wonderful to watch this year.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 1:29 pm
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:03 pm to mynamebowl
quote:really goes to show how special SAF was. He was a hell of a manager (although I am a bit biased). That's why I have no idea why some of my fellow Arsenal fans want to get rid of Wenger
they make all the difference in the world man
top managers make all the difference in the world, and the EPL is full of them this year 
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:03 am to mynamebowl
I realize that internet message boards are breeding grounds for losers who have nothing better to do than downvote any and everything they can, but how could my initial post possibly be worthy of almost nothing but downvotes? I try to understand the mentality of someone who does this, but I simply can't relate to this bitch-made line of thinking. Have a great night boys!
ETA shout out to whoever threw me the 1 sympathy upvote
ETA shout out to whoever threw me the 1 sympathy upvote
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 12:08 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:16 am to mynamebowl
don't take it so hard man, it happens to me all the time. I'm not sure what goes on in the pathetic minds of losers that have nothing better to do than down vote, but like I said just don't worry about em 
BTW, I up-voted you
BTW, I up-voted you
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:47 am to mynamebowl
quote:
Watching the City/Chelsea match yesterday, it's crazy that those were the same players (for the most part) that were playing for Mourinho and Pellegrini last season. The additions of Conte and Pep to England have been the biggest signings in the league this year.
A few things
This Chelsea team is almost the exact same team that won the title two years ago, so its not shocking that they are this good.
City on the other hand are doing the same thing they have done the last 4 years or so. Beat up on the clubs in the bottom half and struggle with the big boys. Pep hasn't changed that and he clearly isn't going to walk through this league like lots of people said he would.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:56 am to mynamebowl
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I realize that internet message boards are breeding grounds for losers who have nothing better to do than downvote any and everything they can
Well if I had to guess it's because you called the soccer board reader queers lol.
I upvoted you though. Conversation on here is usually pretty good.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:56 am to StraightCashHomey21
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City on the other hand are doing the same thing they have done the last 4 years or so. Beat up on the clubs in the bottom half and struggle with the big boys. Pep hasn't changed that and he clearly isn't going to walk through this league like lots of people said he would.
Certainly seems that way unfortunately.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:20 am to McCaigBro69
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Certainly seems that way unfortunately.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:28 am to StraightCashHomey21
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This Chelsea team is almost the exact same team that won the title two years ago, so its not shocking that they are this good.
Not counting Ngolo this is also the team that got boat raced last year and wound up 10th or so. It's no secret Jose's tactics work for certain teams for 1-2 years. United didn't even get to 1 year. Conte has revitalized this squad and our confidence back in our top players hazard willian Pedro and costa. Costa, while I understand is a awful count, has been much better under conte. He was extremely embarrassing under Jose. While I give some credit to the players for working hard and having a fantastic season thus far, Conte does deserve some serious recognition. Where's the parking the bus jokes?
TLDR: frick Manchester
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:43 am to olddawg26
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United didn't even get to 1 year
If you actually watched United matches, you would see the team has been dominating matches but just not putting away its chances. The football looks much better than under LvG and Moyes and the stats prove it.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:49 am to McCaigBro69
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Well if I had to guess it's because you called the soccer board reader queers
Dude, welcome to the soccer board. It's kind of a thing here. A term of endearment, if you will. You should know these things by now.
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I upvoted you though. Conversation on here is usually pretty good.
Thank you sir but I'm no soccer board rookie. Been here for quite a while now. My posts are pretty sporadic these days, but I will come scan the first page to see what's happening pretty much every day.
My days of picking fights with who I deemed worthy around here are over for the most part
looking at you SCH 
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:01 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The football looks much better than under LvG and Moyes and the stats prove it.
They don't look THAT good. While they are much better, the same problems in midfield that existed under LVG and Moyes still exist. The solution perhaps exists in the squad, with maybe moving HM22 to a withdrawn role and pushing Pogba back.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:02 am to StraightCashHomey21
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This Chelsea team is almost the exact same team that won the title two years ago, so its not shocking that they are this good.
Right, but it's also the same team that finished 10th (?) last season and the manager and players were the butt of every joke. My point was it shows how influential a new man in charge can be, whether it is with tactics or a different vibe in the locker room. In Chelsea's case this season, it seems to be both. It's a shame they're not in the Champions League this season because they are one of the best teams in Europe.
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City on the other hand are doing the same thing they have done the last 4 years or so. Beat up on the clubs in the bottom half and struggle with the big boys. Pep hasn't changed that and he clearly isn't going to walk through this league like lots of people said he would.
Your hate for City is showing brother. Anyone with eyes and a soccer brain can see the differences between City of the last few seasons and this years version. It's way early to say Pep's City can't win the big games. He's only had a couple of chances so far and has been a little unlucky. They have played some beautiful soccer so far and it's only half a season in for him. He's a top 3 manager in the world with great players to work with at every position and basically a blank check to buy any player he wants.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 10:03 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:11 am to mynamebowl
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Your hate for City is showing brother. Anyone with eyes and a soccer brain can see the differences between City of the last few seasons and this years version. It's way early to say Pep's City can't win the big games. He's only had a couple of chances so far and has been a little unlucky. They have played some beautiful soccer so far and it's only half a season in for him. He's a top 3 manager in the world with great players to work with at every position and basically a blank check to buy any player he wants.
My hate isn't blinding me, I'm telling the truth even the City fan in here agrees with me.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:13 am to crazy4lsu
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They don't look THAT good. While they are much better, the same problems in midfield that existed under LVG and Moyes still exist. The solution perhaps exists in the squad, with maybe moving HM22 to a withdrawn role and pushing Pogba back.
The process is taking time for sure, but we still need to finish our chances. I can only imagine if Carrick was 10 years younger in Mou's system we are using in a midfield three or in the 4-1-4-1.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:17 am to crazy4lsu
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They don't look THAT good. While they are much better, the same problems in midfield that existed under LVG and Moyes still exist.
I hate to agree because I tend to pull for United to do well, but I think you're right. They have dominated teams in terms of chances and possession and all that, but it still doesn't feel like they are playing that well. For whatever reason, United can't seem to get the players they buy to repeat what they did at their previous club. And this is not a new problem or a Jose problem. Goes all the way back to the Kagawa days. So many bad buys and underperformers tend to add up.
One player who I really underestimated is Ander Herrera. He runs like a mad man for the entire match and has really bossed several games I've watched. Very impressive for a dude his size.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:19 am to StraightCashHomey21
Carrick is the key again, in yet another system. He can't play forever though. Herrera's transformation into a destroyer is also interesting. Regardless the question for United has been who will make entry passes between the line and who will receive them. That question hasn't been solved long term.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:23 am to mynamebowl
They should let Rooney and Ibra go at the end of the year and build around Martial and Rashford. Also let go of Rojo, and find a long term replacement for Carrick, and find an AM that can play between the lines and give a player for Pogba to combine with.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:24 am to StraightCashHomey21
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My hate isn't blinding me, I'm telling the truth even the City fan in here agrees with me.
Ok, but that doesn't mean either of you are right. Let's put it this way -
Would you put money on a club with the resources, players and $$$ that City has, managed by Pep Guardiola, to come good and win a league title or two?
Or.....
Would you bet on them falling flat on their faces and continue losing to their peers at the top of the table?
Because I know where my moneys going dude.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:27 am to crazy4lsu
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Carrick is the key again, in yet another system. He can't play forever though. Herrera's transformation into a destroyer is also interesting. Regardless the question for United has been who will make entry passes between the line and who will receive them. That question hasn't been solved long term.
Pretty much sums it up. We need to find another Carrick.
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