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re: This is why the US currently can't compete with the world's best
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:49 pm to Poodlebrain
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:49 pm to Poodlebrain
Being athletic certainly doesn't hurt but you're putting way too much stock into it. If being the most athletic team won you WC's then Ghana, Ivory Coast, and the USA would all still be in it.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:52 pm to Poodlebrain
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It is the combination of great skills and superior athleticism that make Ibrahimovich, Balotelli and Ronaldo fan favorites.
I don't see this at all.
Ronaldo seems less a fan favorite than Messi across the world and certainly no more than any other player who people would consider the best in the world at a given time.
Ibra and Balotelli are massive headline makers due to their entertaining personae.
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Spain didn't lose its technical skills over the past 4 years,
In a sense they did. Xavi was the key to the effectiveness of Spain's and Barca's entire style and, while he's still a great player, his "skills" are not as sharp as they were 2-4 years ago and both team's struggles much more to do with adjusting to a different style of play without him than being beaten physically.
There were just as many great "physical" teams being run absolutely ragged by Xavi's midfield mastery when he was on his game.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:52 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Those two are popular because they're wildcard, headcases with immense talent. All that to say, I don't even agree that they're more popular than Pirlo or Iniesta.
More followed on Twitter? I'm sure by a large margin.
More popular as players? Doubt it.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:57 pm to cwil177
The good news is that Jurgy understands the development system and what it takes to be great.
It starts with recruiting (which he was excelled at). If we can steal the Greens and Zelalems of the world, it will speed up the process.
Combine those guys with a budding youth system that is very much in its infancy, a growing domestic league, more fan awareness and demand - shite can come together and happen.
It starts with recruiting (which he was excelled at). If we can steal the Greens and Zelalems of the world, it will speed up the process.
Combine those guys with a budding youth system that is very much in its infancy, a growing domestic league, more fan awareness and demand - shite can come together and happen.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:58 pm to cwil177
We are not among the world's best, and it's got something to do with coal and diamonds.
Everyday in America potential Messis are born and will hardly ever kick a soccer ball.
Nearly very single potential world-class player in Argentina, Holland, Brazil, Belgium, etc is recognized as such and given chances to become world-class.
We have less than our share of elite players for similar reasons that Ghana doesn't have any NFL running backs.
It's changing.
Everyday in America potential Messis are born and will hardly ever kick a soccer ball.
Nearly very single potential world-class player in Argentina, Holland, Brazil, Belgium, etc is recognized as such and given chances to become world-class.
We have less than our share of elite players for similar reasons that Ghana doesn't have any NFL running backs.
It's changing.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:27 pm to wm72
quote:Nobody would care about their entertaining personalities if they weren't electrifying talents on the field.
Ibra and Balotelli are massive headline makers due to their entertaining personae.
quote:Xavi's skills aren't his problem. He just doesn't have the quickness or strength to win 50-50 balls or beat defenders one v. one like he could 4 years ago. And his lack of athleticism was painful to watch when Spain was on defense.
In a sense they did. Xavi was the key to the effectiveness of Spain's and Barca's entire style and, while he's still a great player, his "skills" are not as sharp as they were 2-4 years ago and both team's struggles much more to do with adjusting to a different style of play without him than being beaten physically.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:32 pm to uway
Yeah, most parents I imagine see soccer as an extracurricular activity (and there's nothing wrong with that). I'm sure parents in countries where futbol is huge look at futbol the same way parents in the Southeast US look at American football. They see extraordinary talent and they want to nurture it, and here in the US there are more resources to nurture American football skills than futbol skills. That can change with time.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:46 pm to SabiDojo
quote:I think it is changing faster than most people realize. If you watch youth soccer in the United States you will see that the proportion of recreational play compared to serious competition is changing. There is more serious competition taking place. It hasn't spread uniformly throughout the country, but there are regions of the country where the resources devoted to soccer exceed those devoted to football. It's happening mostly in the suburbs, but it will eventually spread into the cities.
They see extraordinary talent and they want to nurture it, and here in the US there are more resources to nurture American football skills than futbol skills. That can change with time.
The quality of young athletes focusing on soccer in the U.S. is increasing every year. It is just a matter of time until enough of our best athletes focus on soccer for the U.S. to compete at the highest levels.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:02 pm to Poodlebrain
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The quality of young athletes focusing on soccer in the U.S. is increasing every year. It is just a matter of time until enough of our best athletes receive the proper training and nurturing of a soccer skillset from age 5 til they go pro at age 18 for the U.S. to compete at the highest levels.
FTFY.
You're welcome.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:20 pm to cwil177
You are right about having to go pro at 18 if they want to play at the highest levels. There is no way to get there with the NCAA's 20 hours per week rule even if you had the world's best coaches and training methods. So college will not be an option for the best soccer players.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:32 pm to Poodlebrain
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Ibra and Balotelli are massive headline makers due to their entertaining personae.
Nobody would care about their entertaining personalities if they weren't electrifying talents on the field.
Yes, but my point is that the key attributes that make them such media hits are
1) world class
2) characters
and not "athletic prowess"
If you subtract athletic prowess from the equation they are still huge celebrities as long as they have same personae even if they were world class based on skills and vision ala Totti for example...
The English put way too much emphasis on athletic ability, or pace and power as they say (which is a separate argument against having that kind of focus a priori). But interestingly their biggest media stars like Beckham, Rooney, Gerrard etc and certainly not the kind of exceptional natural athlete it would seem is being proposed.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:48 pm to wm72
I'm saying they wouldn't be world class without the athletic prowess. It is essential.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:21 pm to Poodlebrain
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I'm saying they wouldn't be world class without the athletic prowess. It is essential.
Just to be clear, what you were arguing is that they were bigger media darlings because they were the most athletic superstar players and not simply that they are stars with very eccentric personae.
My point, to repeat it again, was that the athletic factor may well be important to why they are great players but not why they are media darlings. If any great player, no matter how athletic, has or were to act the way they do, they have and would still make media headlines.
Also, your point about all athletic teams passing through the knockouts completely glosses over 2 of biggest favorites left in Germany and Argentina. Both are a lot more technical than athletic -- Germany's woefully unathletic backline + Ozil Goetze . . . Fernando Gago!!!! etc etc etc. . .
(not to mention that the past two WC champions, Spain and Italy, were among the least athletic sides to probably ever play in a WC in the modern era).
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 8:26 pm
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