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This is why the US currently can't compete with the world's best
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:44 pm
Because we don't have the ability to produce technical players like the Hollands, Frances, Spains, and Uruguays of the world.
Please stop feeding into the belief that if only Adrian Peterson had chosen soccer we would be world beaters. With our current setup we would have a team full of Eddie Johnsons.
Having amazing athletes doesn't mean much if you can't nurture their talent in a way conducive to the sport in question. The rise of MLS academies is going to help, but these things take time. We've only had a professional league in this country for <20 years, and now that MLS isn't struggling to survive we will see more money put into academies. We're getting there, but it's not going to happen overnight.
With our population, our wealth, and the growing popularity of the sport in the US, the world better watch out. The Yanks are coming.
Please stop feeding into the belief that if only Adrian Peterson had chosen soccer we would be world beaters. With our current setup we would have a team full of Eddie Johnsons.
Having amazing athletes doesn't mean much if you can't nurture their talent in a way conducive to the sport in question. The rise of MLS academies is going to help, but these things take time. We've only had a professional league in this country for <20 years, and now that MLS isn't struggling to survive we will see more money put into academies. We're getting there, but it's not going to happen overnight.
With our population, our wealth, and the growing popularity of the sport in the US, the world better watch out. The Yanks are coming.
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:48 pm to cwil177
Everything you said explains Freddy Adu.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:49 pm to cwil177
Hey what if black guys from the ghetto played soccer?
Oh...you mean like Eddie Johnson.
Oh...you mean like Eddie Johnson.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:53 pm to magildachunks
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Everything you said explains Freddy Adu.
I got to watch Adu play in the Dallas Cup when he was 14 for the U-16 national team and he was their best talent. Somewhere along the line something went horribly wrong with him. He was supposed to be our Christiano Ronaldo.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:57 pm to RB10
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He was supposed to be our Christiano Ronaldo.
At 14 Ronaldo was in the Sporting Lisbon academy. He wasn't physically mature, nor asked to shoulder the expectations of a nation.
At 14 Fredy Adu was signed as a professional for DC United. He stopped physically maturing around 20, and never actually developed into anything more than a half-a-trick pony. It really says something when you're not good enough to play for the Philadelphia Union at 23 years years young.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:01 pm to thenry712
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At 14 Fredy Adu was signed as a professional for DC United
This is where it went wrong for him IMO. At 14 he should have been in a youth academy somewhere in Europe.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:04 pm to cwil177
what did the US just do?
looks like they competed well..
looks like they competed well..
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:06 pm to cwil177
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Please stop feeding into the belief that if only Adrian Peterson had chosen soccer we would be world beaters. With our current setup we would have a team full of Eddie Johnsons.
It seems like people on this board don't believe athletic people have the capabilities to play soccer. Just because Eddie Johnson isn't a great soccer, doesn't mean X great American athlete couldn't be a good soccer play if he chose that sport. Fact of the matter is, you just don't know. And that goes both ways.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:10 pm to cwil177
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Because we don't have the ability to produce technical players like the Hollands, Frances, Spains, and Uruguays of the world.
Which is the result of our youth academies not having the proper coaching in place to nurture the players currently in our youth system.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:13 pm to cwil177
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Please stop feeding into the belief that if only Adrian Peterson had chosen soccer we would be world beaters. With our current setup we would have a team full of Eddie Johnsons.
I understand your thinking and agree that this country needs the infrastructure to develop the technical abilities of the athletes that come into the system in the US.
However, there is a legitimate argument made that what if the "best" athletes are spread among varying sports. There is precedent for this, Australia, the US, England etc all have competing different sports for top "billing" both financially as well as socially.
Its a real argument when you compare a nation that has only one professional sport such as football(soccer) with nations that have baseball,basketball,criket,rugby,american football,hockey....etc.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:14 pm to dj30
Right now it doesn't matter how athletic our soccer players are. We aren't able to develop that talent here, which is why many of our best youth players go abroad.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:15 pm to dj30
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It seems like people on this board don't believe athletic people have the capabilities to play soccer.
It's definitely not that. It's just we have no belief that our youth system can give our best athletes the technique to make most of their ability.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:16 pm to cwil177
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Right now it doesn't matter how athletic our soccer players are. We aren't able to develop that talent here, which is why many of our best youth players go abroad.
100% agree
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:18 pm to kilo
darryljames, I disagree.
Most of us DO believe that the great athletes CAN play the game, heck, that's the strength of the team to begin with. Some of our best athletes couldn't have cut it today.
It's that we have great athletes, in the side already, they're just don't have the purely football skills to the same degree as people from other places. Trapping the ball and keeping it close, holding the ball even under pressure, the ability to make that clean pass in traffic, those are where we are improving, but still not adequate.
Most of us DO believe that the great athletes CAN play the game, heck, that's the strength of the team to begin with. Some of our best athletes couldn't have cut it today.
It's that we have great athletes, in the side already, they're just don't have the purely football skills to the same degree as people from other places. Trapping the ball and keeping it close, holding the ball even under pressure, the ability to make that clean pass in traffic, those are where we are improving, but still not adequate.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:18 pm to crazy4lsu
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It's definitely not that. It's just we have no belief that our youth system can give our best athletes the technique to make most of their ability.
It's not just technical ability where the US development is lacking, it tactical awareness as well. There's a reason the US has never had the CM the likes of Pirlo, Gerrard, Lampard, Schweinsteiger, Ballack, etc. The closest the US has had is Claudio Reyna and, while he was a good player, he wasn't even in the conversation of CM's in the class below these guys.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:27 pm to RedPop4
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I disagree.
Most of us DO believe that the great athletes CAN play the game, heck, that's the strength of the team to begin with. Some of our best athletes couldn't have cut it today.
It's that we have great athletes, in the side already, they're just don't have the purely football skills to the same degree as people from other places. Trapping the ball and keeping it close, holding the ball even under pressure, the ability to make that clean pass in traffic, those are where we are improving, but still not adequate.
I agree that technical ability is at the premium.
Its also not a coincidence that the US, England, Russia, China, Australia, Norway, Sweeden, Canada and on and on dont have a rich international history and success.
I get that you have to develop technical ability, but to discount the law of averages is silly.
Sports like hockey,criket,rugby,amercian football,baseball,basketball all spread the talent pool for a nation across multiple sports.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:33 pm to RB10
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It's not just technical ability where the US development is lacking, it tactical awareness as well.
Freaking this all day long.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 8:51 pm to cwil177
Uruguay is a tiny country compared to the United States. I get soccer is there 1st choice sport but we still havein access of more than 250 million more people.
The problem is an organization like FIFA is run by people that cater to Europe and South American teams. The olympics have teams from all confederations that have won medals and at least 4 of 6 have won a gold. No team outside of Europe or South America has ever played for the world cup.
As a matter of fact you can count the number of semifinalists on 1 hand.
The problem is an organization like FIFA is run by people that cater to Europe and South American teams. The olympics have teams from all confederations that have won medals and at least 4 of 6 have won a gold. No team outside of Europe or South America has ever played for the world cup.
As a matter of fact you can count the number of semifinalists on 1 hand.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 9:46 pm to cwil177
Remember............
Italy Spain and England failed to advance out of the groups. US despite limited ball control ability and tactical awareness did advance apparently due to raw athletic ability and perhaps pure grit. The technical ability will improve maybe as children who grew up playing soccer becomes dads and teach their kids basics?
Italy Spain and England failed to advance out of the groups. US despite limited ball control ability and tactical awareness did advance apparently due to raw athletic ability and perhaps pure grit. The technical ability will improve maybe as children who grew up playing soccer becomes dads and teach their kids basics?
Posted on 7/1/14 at 9:58 pm to Jimmydatiger
no dads teaching kids isn't good enough. Until we have the soccer academies that rival what other countries have we have to either send our kids overseas to learn or wait for the german-americans, iceland-americans, mexican-americans to come of age and try to get them to swap to us.
It's the same reason why andre agassi and pete sampras dominated tennis in the nineties.
They were pulled out of normal school, and stuck in a world class acadamy in florida at the age of 9.
The top 50 maybe the top 100 players in the world are all guys that have been specifically trained as nothing but soccer players since they could spell.
We just don't really do that in the US for soccer.
The only thing we do is train guys locally and try to get them to get a college scholarship.
Until that changes we have to do what I said before. Ship the kids overseas or bank on the julian green fab johnson switch overs where US soccer had nothing to do with their development.
It's the same reason why andre agassi and pete sampras dominated tennis in the nineties.
They were pulled out of normal school, and stuck in a world class acadamy in florida at the age of 9.
The top 50 maybe the top 100 players in the world are all guys that have been specifically trained as nothing but soccer players since they could spell.
We just don't really do that in the US for soccer.
The only thing we do is train guys locally and try to get them to get a college scholarship.
Until that changes we have to do what I said before. Ship the kids overseas or bank on the julian green fab johnson switch overs where US soccer had nothing to do with their development.
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 10:01 pm
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