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re: This is what happens when leagues compete instead of clubs
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Good thing this isn't basketball
The American way works for basketball not for soccer, even then basketball around the world has raised its level of play.
The USSF set up and MLS is holding soccer back in America.
The NHL doesn't have pro/rel, and Canada still managed to win three of the five gold medals at Olympics using NHL players.
I just don't vsee how pro/rel would make the USMNT any better. Our biggest problem is that boys want to grow up to be Bryce Harper or Drew Brees or LeBron James. Until they want to be the next Christian Pusilic, we're not going to have an elite men's team.
The USWNT is able to compete at the highest level.
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:24 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Our biggest problem is that boys want to grow up to be Bryce Harper or Drew Brees or LeBron James.
Why is this still a thing people are saying
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:52 pm to crazy4lsu
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That is a fair point, but I would argue that given the American mindset of sports, we would more often than not see clubs use money to buy players rather than give youth a shot without direct from the football association.
I tend to agree.
My friend's father was a youth basketball coach in the Virtus Roma system. The technical training the younger club players get is modeled more on the soccer system. The year round regimented focus on "fundamental techniques" from coaches who are trained and certified to teach youth was something that maybe I only saw at basketball camp for a couple of weeks during the summer when I was growing up in the US.
In the bigger picture though I do agree that there are many different ways to achieve this level of youth training whether professional soccer has a Pro/Rel system or not.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:58 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Why is this still a thing people are saying
Because they don't know any better. The same people then say things like this:
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Until they want to be the next Christian Pusilic, we're not going to have an elite men's team.
Were there not kids growing up wanting to be the next Alexi Lalas or Landon Donovan? Again it comes down to a lack of developmental opportunities for talented players in the US. Pulisic had elite level coaching his entire life, a love of the game, and two athletic parents who provided great guidance.
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The USWNT is able to compete at the highest level.
Oh and how that's even changing. Again it goes back to development.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 9:18 pm to wm72
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I tend to agree.
My friend's father was a youth basketball coach in the Virtus Roma system. The technical training the younger club players get is modeled more on the soccer system. The year round regimented focus on "fundamental techniques" from coaches who are trained and certified to teach youth was something that maybe I only saw at basketball camp for a couple of weeks during the summer when I was growing up in the US.
In the bigger picture though I do agree that there are many different ways to achieve this level of youth training whether professional soccer has a Pro/Rel system or not.
I've argued throughout this thread and others that we need a strong, centralized USSF which isn't interested in lining its own coffers. We have enough information about the pro/rel system to know that without a strong FA to direct it, clubs will act in their short term interest more often than not, with a few very poor clubs using this model to sell player contracts. I don't know the degree to which the USSF gets former players into coaching, but there should be a clear pipeline from a playing career into a coaching career. The key, regardless of whether you have pro/rel or not, is to have early interaction with professional coaches. That could be done a variety of ways.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:06 am to Bestbank Tiger
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The NHL doesn't have pro/rel, and Canada still managed to win three of the five gold medals at Olympics using NHL players.
I just don't vsee how pro/rel would make the USMNT any better. Our biggest problem is that boys want to grow up to be Bryce Harper or Drew Brees or LeBron James. Until they want to be the next Christian Pusilic, we're not going to have an elite men's team.
Dumbest argument ever, the American way of doing things in soccer does not work
quote:and are very close to being passed as the rest of the world has caught up. The development of the women’s game is nuts especially in Europe. Some of the biggest clubs in the world as investing big into it and the American women’s league which is subsidized by mls and the USSF won’t be able to compete. Like 40k went to the women’s fa cup final.
The USWNT is able to compete at the highest level.
The arrogance of some about the American way is amazing especially when showing a clear lack of knowledge. This isn’t the NBA this isn’t the NHL and this isn’t the MLB. Some of y’all need to stop trying to force that way of doing things on to soccer. There is already proven ways to be successful. Pro/Rel is one of the factor but it’s not the be all end all like the OP says.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 1:18 am
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