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re: The Penalty Box is too gotdamn big

Posted on 7/8/13 at 7:06 am to
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20832 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 7:06 am to
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It's unnecessary. It is fine as it is.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20832 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 7:21 am to
While I disagree with this, I find this interesting. Although it seems strange at first, if this was how the penalty area always looked, we would certainly consider the idea of an 18 yard box to be ridiculous.

In an ideal world, there are some other changes I would make in soccer. I think the away goals "tie breaker" is idiotic. I would also prefer to keep track of time the way other sports do (count down, stop the clock for stoppages instead of adding time, and end the half/game when the clock hits 0:00), but I can make peace with this since it makes it a hell of a lot harder to add commercial breaks.
This post was edited on 7/8/13 at 7:22 am
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19534 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 7:27 am to
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 Any person with soccer abilities can score a pk against a world class goalie. 


Shhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiitttttt.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 8:27 am to
I actually like this idea.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 8:28 am to
quote:

but keepers are figs anyways who yell at their team every time they get scored on and then freak out when they frick up and people make fun of them for getting beat near post or some shite



Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36904 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 8:31 am to
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Pk's basically come down to luck and chance.


PK's aren't about being fair. A scoring chance was illegally taken away from the offense. They should have the advantage. Just the way I see it.

Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 8:35 am to
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A scoring chance was illegally taken away from the offense


Not always. Sometimes it's just a routine foul in the box, when there wasn't much of a scoring chance.

I'm actually all for a smaller box, though I know it would never happen.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
18922 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 8:48 am to
Considering the home team wins more in soccer than any other sport, I'm fine with the away goals tie breaker.
Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
27462 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Penalties aren't that common that shrinking the size of the box would benefit keepers.


quote:

In last season's Premier League, there were 86 penalties in 380 matches 23%
In Bundesliga, there were 83 in 306 matches 27%
In La Liga, there were 109 in 380 matches 29%
In Serie A, there were 132 in 380 matches 35%
World Cup 2010 there were 15 in 64 matches 23%



1 out of 3 to 1 out of 5 decided by PKs

take into account how many matches are 0-0
then how many matches are 1 goal differentials ie 1-2, but the second goal was a PK awarded in the 5th min of the game off a dive at the edge of the box.


Posted by UPT
NOLA
Member since May 2009
5513 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 8:53 am to
The biggest organized sport in the world doesn't need stupid suggestions for rule changes. It's been doing just fine for quite a while now.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:30 am to
quote:

PK awarded in the 5th min of the game off a dive at the edge of the box.

Just get better refs.
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:42 am to
quote:

The biggest organized sport in the world doesn't need stupid suggestions for rule changes. It's been doing just fine for quite a while now.


Such a stupid mentality. Most rules and regulations in sports are arbitrarily created, and every sport has flaws. Disagree with the op, but way too many soccer fans, and sports fans in general, think this way.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19534 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:57 am to
quote:

1 out of 3 to 1 out of 5 decided by PKs


I'd like to see your math on this. (Please show your work.)
Posted by petar
Miami
Member since May 2009
5989 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 10:38 am to
quote:

1 out of 3 to 1 out of 5 decided by PKs

Yea i think these were just how many games had a pentalty kick.. especially since games can end in ties. Unless you broke it down and said oh this was a game in which it was 4-0 final and had a pk so that game wasn't decided by pk's

I don't agree with moving the box size down for the reasoning of goalies ability to come out and stop an over the top ball or lobbed through ball. As a defender, I think this would change alot of how the game is played.
However, i do think a reduction in the size of the box in which a pk would be given would be beneficial or as someone put it more common sense used. I agree with the idea that it should be a goal scoring opportunity

I don't really think that this was the complete question of the OP. I think it was more of the Pk's used as an overtime way to decide a winner. To that, I think it is great personally. Granted i like the idea of the FA Cup replay but that is unfeasable in tournaments like the Confed. Cup and World Cup etc.
Adding more time is also unfeasable IMO because the players are already dead after 120. I think it is the best possible scenario and most exciting for the fans. Plus going into 7th or 8th pk (like in the Italy-Spain game) is rare, so its not as easy as the OP suggests. and i like Buffon's chances against anyone who posts on this board.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19534 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 11:15 am to
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and i like Buffon's chances against anyone who posts on this board. 


shite. I like Mo Isom's chances against anyone that posts on this board.

To think of PKs as easy (or already decided) from either perspective is laughable.

I can take a decent PK, and I want no part of taking one against a professional, especially some 6-6 monster like Stekelenburg or Michael Gspurning. That goal shrinks REAL quick.
Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
27462 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 11:25 am to
quote:

shite. I like Mo Isom's chances against anyone that posts on this board.


just go high, if you hit upper 3rd anywhere (left,mid,right) and don't go over...you have a 100% success rate

This post was edited on 7/8/13 at 11:29 am
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28614 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 11:28 am to
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just go high, if you hit upper 3rd anywhere (left,mid,right) and don't go over...you have a 99% success rate



Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
27462 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 11:30 am to
quote:

From the penalty kicker’s standpoint, 85% of the penalty shots placed on goal were successful. A bit more than half of the shots taken were placed in the lower one-third of the goal (57%). These low attempts were successful ~80% of the time. By comparison, only 13% of shots were placed in the upper third of the goal. However, all of these efforts resulted in a goal scored (100% success).



Gol
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31084 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 11:32 am to
I love some people think hitting upper 90 is automatic.

At the same time, it would not shock me to see even a high school level player score a pk on a world class keeper. There is only so much you can do in 12 yards. I think that kid could convert at least 50% of the time (compared to pros who make it roughly 80%).
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28614 posts
Posted on 7/8/13 at 11:32 am to
quote:

only 13% of shots were placed in the upper third of the goal. However, all of these efforts resulted in a goal scored (100% success).


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