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LSUSOBEAST1
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re: Sir Alex Ferguson to retire at season's end

7-10th is midtable for me. Anything lower than 10th and I just refer to you as a bottom-half team. Sorry if my definition isn't up to par.


gideon
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re: Sir Alex Ferguson to retire at season's end
I'm inclined to believe that SAF hand picked Moyes.
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Lack of experience in Europe and the fact that he could potentially bring Fellaini over are two of my concerns.


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re: Sir Alex Ferguson to retire at season's end
I don't mean your definition of mid-table, I just mean how are you going to think less of a guy when he clearly maxed out the potential of the job he has?


LSUSOBEAST1
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re: Sir Alex Ferguson to retire at season's end
That is certainly the word.


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I don't mean your definition of mid-table, I just mean how are you going to think less of a guy when he clearly maxed out the potential of the job he has?


Agreed. There's clearly a limit on how high you can take everton. Moyes maxed out their potential.


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gideon
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That is certainly the word.


Clearly, Moyes has been the guy linked to take over for SAF going on two years now.

They have a ton of respect for one another.


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LSUSOBEAST1
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I just mean how are you going to think less of a guy when he clearly maxed out the potential of the job he has?


Don't put words in my mouth. I have nothing but respect for Moyes, he is a terrific manager.

But managing a midtable club on a budget successfully =/= managing Manchester United.


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But managing a midtable club on a budget successfully =/= managing Manchester United.


I mean ok but there is no other SAF out there. The managers with big time experience have their own drawbacks and will likely be a 2-3 year guy which I don't think ManU wants.


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The managers with big time experience have their own drawbacks and will likely be a 2-3 year guy which I don't think ManU wants.

This, for the most part, is what I think as well.

Moyes is behind only SAF and Wenger for most seasons in the Premier League. The line of thinking here is that if he's done so well with his resources at Everton, just think what he could do with United. He's obviously loyal and has a background similar to SAF.

But, let's face it, United hasn't had to do this very much in the modern era. The Glazers are probably inclined to get another SAF because that's all they've known.

The Special One has that experience, but he's the type of guy that will move onto a new challenge after a few years.
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LSUSOBEAST1
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The managers with big time experience have their own drawbacks and will likely be a 2-3 year guy which I don't think ManU wants.


I know. I implied that in my original post.

There's a reason there is only one Alex Ferguson. Modern football has changed significantly from the days he took over United. I don't blame the Glazers for wanting to find the next SAF, who doesn't? LFC sure as frick is trying to.



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McRebel42
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I mean, I understand the hire, I really do. I know the Glazers probably value loyalty as highly as anything else. And Moyes certainly has great knowledge of the game.

But by nature I am skeptical of a perennial midtable manager taking over a top 3 biggest club in the world. I mean, you're giving Manchester United to a manager whose only experience with the Champions League came almost a decade ago in qualifiers..

Football begins and ends with European success now. Moyes will be handed a fantastic team in a great situation, but there is no time for a learning curve when you manage Manchester United.


Didn't we, Liverpool, do exactly this when we got Brendan Rodgers?


LSUSOBEAST1
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Well yes, but it's slightly different whenever you finish 8th in the league. He has much more leniency than Moyes will.

Let's not forget what SAF did when he first took over:

2nd place
11th place
13th place
6th place
2nd place
Won the league

My point is that managers don't immediately just slot in, especially ones who are expected to stay at the club for a long period of time. Sometimes there is an adjustment period. But in the modern game, where success literally hinges on European qualification, big clubs can't afford that period.

We've seen it with Chelsea (with AVB) and we've seen it with Liverpool.

I'm surely not saying it will happen with United - as I said SAF is leaving Moyes about as good of a situation as you can possibly imagine. But if come this time next season, and Moyes happens to be fighting for fourth place, United fans/administration will immediately regret not chasing Mou/Klopp/Pellegrini/Ancelotti.


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I'm surely not saying it will happen with United - as I said SAF is leaving Moyes about as good of a situation as you can possibly imagine. But if come this time next season, and Moyes happens to be fighting for fourth place, United fans/administration will immediately regret not chasing Mou/Klopp/Pellegrini/Ancelotti.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think United will be fighting for fourth next season.

Not saying they're a title lock by any means, but, like you said, SAF is handing the keys to Moyes in a great spot. (Still need to upgrade our freaking central midfield if we want to go deep in Europe.) There will be changes, but will it be enough changes to keep United from being the well-oiled machine it has been in league play?

I just don't think getting a Mou or a Klopp would make United that much better in the league compared to Moyes. Granted, would be my #1 choice, but that's because he seems like he would be more committed to staying at United long-term than Mou.


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re: Sir Alex Ferguson to retire at season's end
As ling as they dont take one if the germans, im fine. They are reserved for when Arsene hangs it up.


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LSUSOBEAST1
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I see what you're saying, but I don't think United will be fighting for fourth next season.



Neither do I by any stretch.

But at the same time, nobody expected Chelsea to go from 2nd to 6th the year AVB was appointed, or for Liverpool to go from 2nd to 7th in 08/09, or for Newcastle to go from 5th to a relegation battle this season.

United have been fantastic this season, but the rest of the league has also been historically poor.


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But at the same time, nobody expected Chelsea to go from 2nd to 6th the year AVB was appointed, or for Liverpool to go from 2nd to 7th in 08/09, or for Newcastle to go from 5th to a relegation battle this season.

Great points.


LSUSOBEAST1
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I do think Moyes can be a great manager at United. Only time will tell.

It'll be interesting to see how he goes from managing Everton, to managing the best team in the Prem and balancing ~60 matches a season, all with a brand new squad and attempting to fill the shoes of the greatest manager of all-time..

Also, Everton play almost the polar opposite style that United have so far this season, so that will be interesting to watch.


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Per Reddit, according to Daily Mail/Sky Sports correspondent Neil Ashton, Wayne Rooney has handed in a transfer request. If true, wonder how much of it coincides with SAF's retirement.

I am fairly unfamiliar with the British sports media but I know they do churn out a lot of rumors so maybe it's just more attention-seeking reporting.

Will be very interesting to see the type of team ManU will be at the beginning of next season.
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BleedPurpleGold
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Also, Everton play almost the polar opposite style that United have so far this season, so that will be interesting to watch.


This is what I immediately thought when his name was mentioned.


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