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re: Match Day 5/3 | Bayern Munich vs Atlético Madrid | 1:45 p.m. CDT | FS1
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:54 pm to Breadstick Gun
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:54 pm to Breadstick Gun
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I admit that I'm a noob, but what a shitty way to break a tie. One team advances because they scored an away goal?
How anticlimactic! As a new fan of the sport with building enthusiasm, that took some air out of the ballon.
You're exactly right. No idea why soccer people can't acknowledge some massive flaws in the rules of the game.
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:52 pm to RandySavage
There are massive flaws in the rules of every game. The away goal rule adds a ton of drama to the proceedings. Get to the finals and... poof it is gone. Atletico plays that way on purpose and they are the best in the world at it based on results of Europa and the CL the last 4 seasons.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 11:55 pm to glassman
Spot on about Atleti...they were tactically smart today. Bayern got the tough draw with Juve, the easy one with Benfica, and the toughest in the semis.
Bummed we're out of the final, but it was a hell of a match. Played with passion, and answered after the over-pursuit mistake that led to their goal. As we've seen before, couldn't pick the lock.
Pep has his flaws (enjoy them now, city) but today was a joy to watch, despite the result...another reason I love watching matches at Finn's.
Bummed we're out of the final, but it was a hell of a match. Played with passion, and answered after the over-pursuit mistake that led to their goal. As we've seen before, couldn't pick the lock.
Pep has his flaws (enjoy them now, city) but today was a joy to watch, despite the result...another reason I love watching matches at Finn's.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:50 am to RandySavage
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I admit that I'm a noob, but what a shitty way to break a tie. One team advances because they scored an away goal?
How anticlimactic! As a new fan of the sport with building enthusiasm, that took some air out of the ballon.
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You're exactly right. No idea why soccer people can't acknowledge some massive flaws in the rules of the game.
I don't think the issue is that people can't admit the away goals rule isn't perfect as much as that all the alternatives people suggest pose even more issues.
That the away goal rule is clearly understood before the match starts at least provides a means of breaking ties that informs the strategy of the actual play over the 180 or 210 minutes.
Penalties can be dramatic but there's also the feeling that it's very removed from actual play . . . like deciding a football game by a field goal shootout or basketball game by a free throw contest.
Also, the rule was adopted due to complaints about boring first legs where away teams too often completely bunkered down and played for a 0-0 draw or even a 1-0 loss due to the massive advantage they felt the final leg at home offered.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 12:52 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:05 am to Tigertown in ATL
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This system and PKs and even having draws hurts the expansion in the U.S. to be sure.
yea lets bring back the MLS style shootouts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:06 am to jturn17
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I'm probably in the minority, but I like away goals more than PKs. PK endings just feel random. I think that away goal wins feel more earned, but I also think home field is such an advantage in soccer that scoring in the away leg should be rewarded.
Your not in the minority we had a thread about this a few months ago.
It rewards the away team for actually going out and attacking.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:17 am to Breadstick Gun
Cmon R, you're better than this. You think PKs would have been more exciting?
I much prefer away goal rule. Perhaps as you watch more you'll see the impact of how it affects strategy and gameplay. Granted it makes it more exciting when the away team scores one or two in the first leg.
I much prefer away goal rule. Perhaps as you watch more you'll see the impact of how it affects strategy and gameplay. Granted it makes it more exciting when the away team scores one or two in the first leg.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 6:19 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:23 am to StraightCashHomey21
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It rewards the away team for actually going out and attacking.
Yep.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:34 am to StraightCashHomey21
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This system and PKs and even having draws hurts the expansion in the U.S. to be sure.
yea lets bring back the MLS style shootouts
If you are thinking that is what I am saying, you have read things into my posts that are not there.
I have no problem with the system. I like the away goal process. Sets up a whole new level of strategy for managers.
My point is that Americans are plugged into a system where there must be a winner, and we are not comfortable with ties. That's why we tried to eliminate ties in hockey even in the regular season, and got rid of ties in the NFL.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:04 am to VanRIch
Well PKs are definitely more exciting but that's also not a good way to determine a winner. I don't know how people that blast PKs as being "random" or "not part of the game" reconcile that the ultimate difference depends on where the goal was scored.
The obvious answer is to keep playing until someone actually wins. It's really not that complicated.
The obvious answer is to keep playing until someone actually wins. It's really not that complicated.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:40 pm to VanRIch
I definitely think PKs would have been more exciting for for the fans to see. But I'm not saying it's the best method of determining the winner.
Honestly, the intent of my post wasn't to propose a new rule. I'm not trying to be the new guy that comes in and tries to change rules that I don't yet fully understand. I'm simply saying that I was initially super pumped the Bayern scored again to go up 2-1 because I thought it meant that we were gonna see extra time.
I thought the match was so good that extra time would have been a treat to see. In short, I'm saying that as a fan, I came away wanting more.
Honestly, the intent of my post wasn't to propose a new rule. I'm not trying to be the new guy that comes in and tries to change rules that I don't yet fully understand. I'm simply saying that I was initially super pumped the Bayern scored again to go up 2-1 because I thought it meant that we were gonna see extra time.
I thought the match was so good that extra time would have been a treat to see. In short, I'm saying that as a fan, I came away wanting more.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:59 pm to Breadstick Gun
I can understand that. But I'm always, always underwhelmed by a PK of any kind. When I'm watching a DVRd game and I know the score and the minute, I'm always excited as that minute approaches, watching the build up of play leading up and when it ends up being a PK, I'm definitely left wanting more. Even though the build up of play led to a penalty situation it just takes the wind out of it for me. A PK shoutout to decide a final doesn't even have the build up of play. I also like the point system that comes with allowing ties. It makes the season as a whole more interesting, especially in discussions with fellow fans.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:07 pm to VanRIch
Agreed. I like the ties in regular season games/matches. I think the NFL should even consider doing away with OT for regular season games.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:20 pm to Breadstick Gun
I would take golden goal over PKs all day.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:22 pm to uway
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I would take golden goal over PKs all day
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:24 pm to uway
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I would take golden goal over PKs all day.
Not sure why this isn't an serious option. Do the regular OT then go to golden goal. Or straight to golden goal.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:27 pm to Tigertown in ATL
SCH will be here shortly to tell us how terrible Golden Goal is.
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