re: Lets have a discussion about red cards

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By far the most obvious red in the game.

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Seeing that the Netherlands should have been playing with nine players for the 65 previous minutes, that would be a wise tactical decision on his part, would it not?

I mean, how would that horse's rear end send him off so late in the match, after having committed those monumental gaffes eons ago? There would have been absolutely no way to justify it.

Very tactical, and necessary.

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From a standpoint on how it affects the game there is a big difference between a dramatic clumsy foul in the middle of the park and a clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity from behind as the last man.

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Randy, how to say this.

11 > 9

Especially when speaking of an attacking, and not a speculating side.

is the flooding in spain anywhere near you?

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Read my posts in the thread. I know you will disagree but my whole premise is that a clumsy foul in the middle of the field should not result in a team having to play a man down. Send the guy off, fine. Suspend him, sure whatever. But to me it's a flawed rule that a non-malicious foul in the middle of the park results in a team playing down for the rest of the match which is why there is no other sport where this sort of thing happens.

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I skipped over all posts. Where one is in the pitch has nothing to do with it, if blatant, and with malicious intent. If you're referring to Von Bommel, his challenge was from the back, highly malicious, with intent to injure, to send a message, as is done in American football, and to test Webb. It was a straight red, especially considering he already had committed three or four fouls previously.

Now, if you're referring to something else, you most certainly may be right based on what you've stated, but like anything, context reigns, before making a ruling.

ETA it may have not been three or four as I said, but he is a dirty, dirty SOB, and his intent was clear for all to see. If you didn't, or don't want to see that, then this conversation is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, he was merely peforming that which they had outlined in their gameplan, but it was a straight red. You will notice I mention nothing of the boot to Xabi's chest, which I firmly believe is a red, but most certainly wasn't intentional.

Just for reference let's look at the list of offenses that merit the receiving of yellow or red card.

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Cautionable offencses

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A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offenses:

unsporting behavior
dissent by word or action
persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game

delaying the restart of play

failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick, free kick or throw-in

entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission

deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission

A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of the following three offenses:

unsporting behavior
dissent by word or action
delaying the restart of play

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A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
serious foul play

violent conduct

spitting at an opponent or any other person

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick

using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures

receiving a second caution in the same match

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persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game

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This is Van Bommel's middle name. I still cannot believe Cruyff in his desperation brought this POS to BCN. As Yoda would say, bigger bust, there has not been.

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If you're referring to Von Bommel, his challenge was from the back, highly malicious, with intent to injure,

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I don't remember that so I can't comment on it.

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How it is not malicious when you go studs up with both feet?

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Well that didn't happen.

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Shelvey earned that red man, sorry........

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This tells me we pretty much wouldn't agree on anything sport related.

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Dude really, take the liverpool glasses off for a second and watch the video, a foul and then and two footed studs up tackle 3 seconds later.....I mean come on!

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meh, agree to disagree, I think its a red and you don't.....and if this is the call that is supposed to persuade me to stop the game for instant replay, I am far from convinced on that issue as well.

Sure, there are bad calls made in games that the majority on here will agree with, but I am not sure I trust any league to implement instant replay in such a way that the game is not negatively impacted, thats just me. Still for goal line technology though if its done right and I believe that has a better chance of working.