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July Fifa Rankings Released - USA drops 12 spots
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:53 pm
Down to 35th
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Top 8
1. Germany
2. Brazil
3. Argentina
4. Portugal
5. Swiss
6. Poland
7. Chile
8. Colombia
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Top 8
1. Germany
2. Brazil
3. Argentina
4. Portugal
5. Swiss
6. Poland
7. Chile
8. Colombia
Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:19 pm to DByrd2
Apparently it had something to do with a retroactive devalue of last year's Copa America results... but for some we drop 12 spots, Costa Rica only drops 7. Mexico moved up a spot due to Confed Cup.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:20 pm to Broski
Yeah, to hell with the fact we dominated them in a draw at Azteca. Good to see the organization isn't corrupt anymore.
/sarc
/sarc
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:22 pm to Broski
What's up with our opponent next Wednesday, Martinique, not even being ranked?
ETA: Never mind I looked it up on Wiki. Apparently there are a few CONCACAF nations that aren't members of FIFA. Weird.
ETA: Never mind I looked it up on Wiki. Apparently there are a few CONCACAF nations that aren't members of FIFA. Weird.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:29 pm to Broski
We beat 3 of those teams at a neutral site tomorrow
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:44 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:
We beat 3 of those teams at a neutral site tomorrow
Switzerland and Poland are the only ones you can make arguments that the US would maybe win 6 if they played each other 10 times.
Everyone else in the top 8 is better than us.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:23 pm to etm512
quote:
Apparently there are a few CONCACAF nations that aren't members of FIFA. Weird.
Which is dumb considering that the Gold Cup is a FIFA-sanctioned event, hence why we can cap-tie players in it.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:30 pm to etm512
To be fair, the FIFA rankings are one of the few transparent things FIFA does given that theyre based upon a fairly simple equation.
Overseas territories usually. Speaking of which, this Malouda thing is going to be interesting.
quote:
Apparently there are a few CONCACAF nations that aren't members of FIFA. Weird.
Overseas territories usually. Speaking of which, this Malouda thing is going to be interesting.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:33 pm to joey barton
quote:
To be fair, the FIFA rankings are one of the few transparent things FIFA does given that theyre based upon a fairly simple equation.
It's transparent, sure, but it is horribly flawed, which in itself is corruption based on negligence considering that the top 8 is pretty important every 4 years.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:49 pm to Broski
quote:
Switzerland and Poland are the only ones you can make arguments that the US would maybe win 6 if they played each other 10 times.
meh. We're 2-2-2 against Portugal and it should be better than that
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:52 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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meh. We're 2-2-2 against Portugal and it should be better than that
Portugal right now would beat us more time than we'd beat them.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 12:01 am to Broski
It's comical to have Iran, Egypt, Senegal, Congo, Turkey, and Tunisia in front of us
Posted on 7/7/17 at 12:18 am to joey barton
And it is also pretty corrupt to retroactively change the formula mid-cycle... This sudden devalue of last year's Copa results has Chile dropping from 4th to 7th despite making it to the Confederations Cup finals, with Poland and Switzerland jumping them. Now all of the sudden, Chile is in the final spot to be in pod A for the World Cup draw (top 7 plus Russia) and it'll be pretty fricked up if they drop one more spot between now and November.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 12:39 am to Broski
Did they change the formula, or did the multiplier for the tournament change now that it's roughly ~1 year out?
And, I'm not a big fan of the rankings either, but it's not arbitrary, and FIFA could frick this up way worse.
And, I'm not a big fan of the rankings either, but it's not arbitrary, and FIFA could frick this up way worse.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:57 pm to Broski
FIFA rankings are faker than the pre election polls
Posted on 7/7/17 at 11:02 pm to Broski
quote:
This sudden devalue of last year's Copa results has Chile dropping from 4th to 7th despite making it to the Confederations Cup finals
I have no problem w/ points gained within the last 12 months counting more than those gained from a longer period.
I don't see how anyone can argue that.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:18 pm to JohnZeroQ
and Hati at #48... total BS
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:45 pm to Broski
Copied & pasted from the FIFA website with a few bolds, underlines, and grammar corrections of my own to make the god damn thing legible:
I don't see what the big fuss is all about. Seems pretty cut & dry to me. Logical, concise, not overly complicated. A perfect framework for ranking all the nations of FIFA fairly and ultimately deciding which nations have the advantage of being a top 8 seed for the most important tournament in sports.
quote:
The basic logic of these calculations is simple:
Any team that does well in world football wins points which enable it to climb the world ranking. A team’s total number of points over a four-year period is determined by adding:
- The average number of points gained from matches during the past 12 months and
- The average number of points gained from matches older than 12 months (depreciates yearly).
Calculation of points for a single match depends on the following factors:
- Was the match won or drawn? (M)
- How important was the match, ranging from a friendly to a World Cup match? (I)
- How strong was the opposing team in terms of ranking and confederation? (T and C)
- These factors are brought together in the following formula to ascertain the total number of points (P)
P = M x I x T x C
M = Points for match result
Teams gain:
- 3 points for a victory
- 1 point for a draw
- 0 points for a defeat
- In a penalty shoot-out, the winning team gains 2 points and the losing team gains 1 point.
I = Importance of match
Friendly match (including small competitions): I = 1.0
FIFA World Cup™ qualifier or confederation-level qualifier: I = 2.5
Confederation-level final competition or FIFA Confederations Cup: I = 3.0
FIFA World Cup™ final competition: I = 4.0
T = Strength of opposing team
The strength of the opponents is based on the formula:
200 – the ranking position of the opponents
*As an exception to this formula, the team at the top of the ranking is always assigned the value 200 and the teams ranked 150th and below are assigned a minimum value of 50. The ranking position is taken from the opponents’ ranking in the most recently published FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking*
C = Strength of Confederation
When calculating matches between teams from different confederations, the mean value of the confederations to which the two competing teams belong is used. The strength of a confederation is calculated on the basis of the number of victories by that confederation at the last three FIFA World Cup™ competitions.
Their values are as follows:
CONMEBOL = 1.00
UEFA = 0.99
AFC/CAF/OFC/CONCACAF = 0.85
I don't see what the big fuss is all about. Seems pretty cut & dry to me. Logical, concise, not overly complicated. A perfect framework for ranking all the nations of FIFA fairly and ultimately deciding which nations have the advantage of being a top 8 seed for the most important tournament in sports.
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