re: John Terry Racial Abuse Trial

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Mr. Terry should just move to Spain, where racism is rampant and culturally accepted.

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JT is not a racist. Even if this is thrown out or dismissed later, he wil always have that title because people like you. Do you really think he cringes at the fact that he has to step on the same playing field wearing the same jersey with the likes of Malouda, Sturridge, Cole, Bertrand etc. Seriously?

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false, he'll be labled a racist because he's been accused of being racially abusive on the pitch.

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Welcome to life as a Liverpool fan.

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Must be nice to have the luxury of a jury....

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It wasn't Terry's choice. I actually read some of the court stuff this morning and originally they had said a fan called in the complaint, however it seems that the "fan" was an off duty cop who was watching his beloved QPR on tv. If he didn't call it in, I'm sure the FA would have handed down the same punishment as Suarez. And as far as the double standard the above post claims, I have two issues. One being these are completely different situations with one being heard by a jury and one by the FA. The other is, my issue with Suarez wasn't what he said.....it was that he played it off as acceptable language and the LFC team wearing shirts "supporting" a guy who claims his racial slur was acceptable. They were forcing the FA's hand on that. That was my argument the whole time. I think that 8 games was ridiculous, but LFC forced them into that. The FA had two choices. Give a minimal punishment and look like a joke to the entire football world, or hand out a stiff punishment and make LFC fans mad. Again, I think both situations are complete jokes. Although people say that wouldn't happen in America......I present to you the John Rocker situation where he ended up with a reduced 14 game suspension and basically ended his career.

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a guy who claims his racial slur was acceptable.

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How can it be racial if you don't mean it as racial? Every crime in the common law, whether civil or criminal has intent behind it, besides negligence. If Suarez was being negligent (as I'm fully willing to admit he was), then he's guilty of being retarded, not racist. However, he certainly didn't intend to be racist with his remark. His grandfather is black for Christ's sake.

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How can it be racial if you don't mean it as racial?

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According to the laws of the game it doesn't matter.

Back to the topic of this thread: I am now reading that Terry is saying that Anton made a thrust action and saying something about "shagging Bridgey's missus". Terry responded with "you fricking prick", to which Anton responded "so I'm a fricking black count", that is when Terry repeated "a fricking black count?" So now if this testimony is true, I feel a jury wouldn't convict, but the FA may still punish because the language used language that would be defined as racist. I'm so over this crap. If he gets suspended....fine, if he doesn't....whatever.

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This really is ridiculous, having to go through a trial. If it's against FA rules and he said anything that could be considered racist, he should man up and pay the fine. It's only $3,900! That's hardly anything for a pro.

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From what I understand he is fighting the courts imposed $3900 because he doesn't want the court to label him a racist. The FA would suspend for games and certainly cost him a few paychecks, which is more than $3900. I really think the court will find him not guilty and the FA will still hand down a suspension. That is just my guess though. I don't know what kind of precedent there is with a court case going one way and the FA going another.

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because he doesn't want the court to label him a racist.

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In the court of public opinion, even if he doesn't get fined and suspended, he will be considered a racist by a good number of people.

Take for example Auburn and Cam Newton. Auburn was investigated thoroughly by the NCAA, and they found nothing to say that Auburn paid Cam Newton.

But what do you see in almost every Auburn thread on the SECr? Something about Auburn buying another quarterback.

I don't think going through this trial will make people change their minds about Terry. There will still be people that will call him a racist no matter what.

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The FA had two choices. Give a minimal punishment and look like a joke to the entire football world, or hand out a stiff punishment and make LFC fans mad.

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You're absolutely right. The FA did not ban Suarez for being racist, they explicitly said in fact that he is not a racist. They banned him because they didn't like him because he opposed them and so that they wouldn't be made fools of. John Terry was their beloved captain for years and he was smart enough to keep his mouth shut and let the good ole boy network protect their own. If any party was guilty of any form of discrimination, it was the embarrassment that is the English FA...not Luis Suarez, and not John Terry.

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That is pandoras box. Once you start a gray area, it's open to interpretation. If you punish according to the letter of the law without interpretation, there is no gray area.

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I know, it's going to be my job one day. I think the reason this situation infuriates me so much is because, based on my career path, I have a strong sense of how I think rules, regulations, and laws should be interpreted. And this could not be further from where I stand on that issue.

Can't we all just agree that Terry is a legend# and #best captain ever?

Let's bury the hatchet for autig's sake, you guys.