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Is Klinsmann delusional, or is he being coy?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:07 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:07 am
His postgame comments are baffling:
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I thought Armchair Analyst nailed it. The entire Gold Cup struggle is entirely at Klinsmann's feet. There is no continuity, anywhere. Just constant 'experimentation,' which isn't yielding any real benefits.
There's no continuity of tactics. No continuity of center back or striker partnerships. No continuity of team selection.
Soccer is a game of chemistry and, to borrow a Wengerism, "automatisms." This is especially true at the international level, where, because you have so little time together, you need to really know the guys you are playing with.
We haven't developed any of that. We look like a team without an identity. It's baffling.
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ETA: Accidentally hit enter too soon.
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“The team and fans are disappointed… We lost this game with two set pieces. We had enough chances to put four or five in. We didn’t do that and Jamaica won. Congrats to Jamaica, they performed well. I can’t complain about the performance of the team…We had enough chances.”
2) His center backs were fine.
On regretting playing Alvarado over Gonzalez and Ream. “No not at all. There is no reason to criticize [the CB’s] for the game. The opposite, in fact…They did their job”
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I thought Armchair Analyst nailed it. The entire Gold Cup struggle is entirely at Klinsmann's feet. There is no continuity, anywhere. Just constant 'experimentation,' which isn't yielding any real benefits.
There's no continuity of tactics. No continuity of center back or striker partnerships. No continuity of team selection.
Soccer is a game of chemistry and, to borrow a Wengerism, "automatisms." This is especially true at the international level, where, because you have so little time together, you need to really know the guys you are playing with.
We haven't developed any of that. We look like a team without an identity. It's baffling.
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ETA: Accidentally hit enter too soon.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:14 am to Stewie Griffin
Ives also spot on with his column:
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WTF was he watching?
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"We had enough chances to put this game away. Early and later on," Klinsmann said. "The luck was not with us maybe, and maybe we were not clinical enough just to put it in there. Effort wise, rhythm wise, passing combinations, everything was there. There was a lot of good stuff that we saw, but at the end of the day it’s the goals that matter."
WTF was he watching?
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:17 am to Stewie Griffin
For better or worse, the guy is a supreme optimist. Even if he hated what he saw, he won't say it. His first quote isn't in any way inaccurate, but the CB comment is a bit much. Chalk it up to not wanting to throw them under the bus.
As for chemistry, this is a new cycle where a lot of our mainstays will likely be out of the picture for Russia. Knockout round football isn't the time to start building that, but we need to keep tinkering until something sticks. Maybe he thinks that Gonzales and Ream just aren't in the plans long term. I don't know. That shite needs to end, though. You can't succeed with a shite backline.
We took 20 shots and put 10 on goal. There were several that should have hit the back of the net and didn't. We had a lion's share of possession and shot like it was practice. We just didn't capitalize. We weren't exactly playing Total Football or anything, but when you have 58% possession and put 10 on frame, scoring once is just pathetic, especially with what they had at keeper.
As for chemistry, this is a new cycle where a lot of our mainstays will likely be out of the picture for Russia. Knockout round football isn't the time to start building that, but we need to keep tinkering until something sticks. Maybe he thinks that Gonzales and Ream just aren't in the plans long term. I don't know. That shite needs to end, though. You can't succeed with a shite backline.
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WTF was he watching?
We took 20 shots and put 10 on goal. There were several that should have hit the back of the net and didn't. We had a lion's share of possession and shot like it was practice. We just didn't capitalize. We weren't exactly playing Total Football or anything, but when you have 58% possession and put 10 on frame, scoring once is just pathetic, especially with what they had at keeper.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:26 am to Dijkstra
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There's no continuity of tactics. No continuity of center back or striker partnerships. No continuity of team selection.
This so, sooooo much.
CBs not at fault? Was he even watching the game? That first goal is entirely the CBs fault.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:31 am to Stewie Griffin
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There is no continuity, anywhere. Just constant 'experimentation,' which isn't yielding any real benefits.
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There's no continuity of tactics. No continuity of center back or striker partnerships. No continuity of team selection.
This right here.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:32 am to cwil177
We had way more than enough chances to win that game last night.
Poor finishing
Poor finishing
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:33 am to Dijkstra
This was the most damning part of that writeup:
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Until then, it's time for the masses to realize this: Klinsmann's results through four years have not been better than Bradley's, and they have been worse than Bruce Arena's. All while our style of play has regressed to the bad-old-days of hopeless long-balls and hopeful crosses.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:35 am to Stewie Griffin
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rhythm wise, passing combinations, everything was there.
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WTF was he watching?
In his defense, they did put quite a lot of crisp passes right off Jamaican players' shins that ended up back with us.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:36 am to Stewie Griffin
Everyone needs to read this comment from the armchair article:
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Winning friendlies in Europe is nice, but this makes two historic losses to Jamaica (who had never beaten the US before September 2012) in the last few years... Of course this one is far worse than the previous loss, this is not making the Gold Cup finals for the first time in the last 6 tournaments. And the problem wasn't just one game, the US was outshot by a combined 50-20 by Honduras, Haiti, and Panama, three relatively mediocre teams, in the group stage of a tournament we hosted in front of pro-US crowds.
This team could have used Benny Feilhaber, Ethan Finlay, Matt Besler, Omar Gonzalez (actually playing)... Klinsmann is always talking about the mindset of players, hopefully Klinsmann changes HIS mindset and realize this isn't Germany with a glut of talent where he can just snub certain players and still succeed. He needs to select the best players avaiable, not just the guys he likes while inexplicably dismissing others with "others are a little bit ahead" type comments when he has no objective basis for his decisions.
Regarding Donovan in 2014: "I just see some other players slightly ahead of him."
Regarding Feilhaber in 2015: "It’s a simple answer, there are other ones ahead of him."
[In both cases that list of players apparently includes Brad Davis]
Maybe Lee Nguyen isn't the answer, but maybe he should have been given more than ~50 minutes over four games, coming off an 18 goal season? Why wasn't Robbie Rogers called in to January camp? Why do so many players like Finlay, Shipp, Powers, Rowe, etc. still have zero caps, despite being obvious choices for a January camp after a World Cup cycle? Beckerman has done well since coming back into the national team, but maybe the speed and athleticism of Jamaica isn't the best match up for him? Bedoya is a good player, but maybe don't start him if he's not fit? Zardes and Green may be promising but maybe they're not ready to bear such a load yet? Was Matt Besler left off for revealing that Klinsmann had the team doing three-a-days for a month prior to the World Cup
? What would be worse, that being the petty reason Besler's not here, or Klinsmann actually believing that Ventura Alvarado is "a little bit ahead" of him?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:38 am to Stewie Griffin
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I thought Armchair Analyst nailed it. The entire Gold Cup struggle is entirely at Klinsmann's feet. There is no continuity, anywhere. Just constant 'experimentation,' which isn't yielding any real benefits.
This is what I keep saying after every friendly and apparently I'm an a-hole who just can't see the big picture of his Master Plan.
Dear Soccer Board,
frick you
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:46 am to hendersonshands
I don't think anyone is truly disagreeing with you. His "throw shite at the wall and see what sticks" method doesn't exactly work when you're not swimming in world-class talent. The USMNT is also in a strange place in its lifespan where we demand to take that next step and people say things like "Bedoya isn't good enough" or "Beckerman should be done with the USMNT", but when we struggle, we should have called in the other dependable guy who we'll still shite on anyway. The Gold Cup was a total Klinsmann failure, but it's the Gold Cup. Let's see how the playoff and qualifying go before we decide to blow everything up again and start over.
I also think that things like "Was Besler left off because he told on Jurgen?" is just plain trash. Yeah, he did Landon dirty, but they were at odds from the beginning and had a history. Brooks is not AS terrible as people make him out to be. Alvarado is the Wild Card, though. No idea why he was out there over Ream or Omar. It's not that wild to understand why Besler wasn't called in, though.
I also think that things like "Was Besler left off because he told on Jurgen?" is just plain trash. Yeah, he did Landon dirty, but they were at odds from the beginning and had a history. Brooks is not AS terrible as people make him out to be. Alvarado is the Wild Card, though. No idea why he was out there over Ream or Omar. It's not that wild to understand why Besler wasn't called in, though.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:47 am to cwil177
Holy shite that entire quote from armchair 
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:50 am to hendersonshands
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I'm an a-hole who just can't see the big picture of his Master Plan.
Correct. The Gold Cup is not a big deal.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:00 am to Stewie Griffin
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“The team and fans are disappointed… We lost this game with two set pieces. We had enough chances to put four or five in. We didn’t do that and Jamaica won. Congrats to Jamaica, they performed well. I can’t complain about the performance of the team…We had enough chances.”
2) His center backs were fine.
On regretting playing Alvarado over Gonzalez and Ream. “No not at all. There is no reason to criticize [the CB’s] for the game. The opposite, in fact…They did their job”
I agree with Jurgen on these two points. We had plenty of chances and should have won, and the CBs played well this game. Ok, blame them for one goal, but that's really the one of the few mistakes I can remember from them. Brad Evans and Beckerman sure didn't help them out at all.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:05 am to cwil177
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Was Matt Besler left off for revealing that Klinsmann had the team doing three-a-days for a month prior to the World Cup
? What would be worse, that being the petty reason Besler's not here, or Klinsmann actually believing that Ventura Alvarado is "a little bit ahead" of him?
To me, the Besler case is the most damning thing on Jurgen's resume for the US so far. Even more so than Donovan. And hear me out.
With Donovan, Jurgen at least had an argument that was feasible. Not a great one. But at least it was there. Cakes DID take a long hiatus during some crucial USMNT stretches. He WAS older. I think he should have been there, but I could at least hear an argument that he shouldn't be there and see some semblance of reason to it, however thin it was. (My position on Cakes has evolved over time).
With Besler, there's no excuse that he's not starting for us regularly. There's no reason why he's not this generation's Carlos Bocanegra. Under more pressure than any CB at the last World Cup (basing that off of how much possession we conceded, worst in the tournament, I believe), he was a rock. At the world's highest stage. Against the elites of the world. Using WhoScored number, he was our best defender (Cameron rated higher but played some midfield), grading out on par with or better than guys like Jerome Boateng, Gary Cahill, Varane, Kompany, Thiago Silva (didn't play vs. Germany, remember). He was great.
He is 28, in the prime of his career. I don't care if he and Brooks are both left footed. If they're the best, play them together.
But he's not even on the GC roster. It's foolish or petty. Not sure which is worse.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:08 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Correct. The Gold Cup is not a big deal.
It's the only tournament that matters on the schedule this year. Of course it's a big deal.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:11 am to Stewie Griffin
I would say that this one wasn't a big deal. We were already guaranteed a spot in the playoff. If there was ever a time to experiment during a tournament, it was this summer.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:11 am to pvilleguru
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the CBs played well this game
No, they didn't. This kind of shite happens with Alvarado all the time. He is so easily manipulated. Dives in way too often and rarely wins the ball.
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From Panama. Watch how just a hesitation throws him off completely.
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He's not good. He was bad yesterday.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:12 am to pvilleguru
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I would say that this one wasn't a big deal. We were already guaranteed a spot in the playoff. If there was ever a time to experiment during a tournament, it was this summer.
That's fair.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:14 am to Stewie Griffin
Ok, both of those were against Panama. Show some from yesterday. He did very well plenty of times in one on one situations. Especially once or twice inside the box where a mistake would have almost assured a goal.
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