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re: How is this not a fireable offense?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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the squad issues are on jurgy, not the tourney
Yet we have clubs asking us not to call players up for the gold cup
If it was every four years it wouldn't be an issue. But no it's gold cup World Cup gold cup that's too much and maybe throw a confederations cup in there as well.
Players need some kind of real offseason and then coming into club camp fresh and ready to get better. Not taxing their bodies 3 summers in a row.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 8:45 am
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:47 am to Sheep
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In two years, we've had one non-Donovan losable match that mattered (Ghana) where we didn't look like horseshite. (I guess you could make a case for the Panama WCQ...)
Did we watch two different games? I thought we looked like horseshite against Ghana
Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:48 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Yet we have clubs asking us not to call players up for the gold cup
pretty much just cameron. he'd have been great (esp at DM instead of beckerdreads) or at CB, but we had options at both
hell one of our DM options did get used...at LM
again..why not besler? why not beasley on the left (fabs/beass are pretty interchangeable on the left so it doesn't matter which position each starts at). why did we continue to rely on beckerman at DM when he was playing poorly the entire tourney? why were we running bradley at AM and mix at DM last game?
those are all on jurgy
other than cameron and jozy (being hurt, but we tried), we had our A squad avaialble. jurgy still had a carousel and shite show of a rotation
Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Then we didn't use our A squad if we have to keep rotating due to players being worn out or Jurgy trying to play mad scientist
Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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why didn't we bring/use besler instead of the shite sow alvarado?
why did jurgyy start a DM at outside mid in a game this tourney? why not take beasley and have fab/beas on the left?
how many backlines did we use in this tourney?
the squad issues are on jurgy, not the tourney
This is my biggest issue with Jurgen. He is tactically inept and his lineup decisions are baffling.
What has Alvarado done to merit a starting position on the US national team? He's been a starter for less than a full season at the club level. Ream, Gonzalez, Besler, Goodson, Orozco, et al have all done more to merit a spot than Alvarado has. And it's not as if he's blown us away with his performances.
Why do we play defensive midfielders on the wing when we have Johnson who plays there on a champions league team? Why does Zardes play there when he is much better up top?
Where is the consistency in lineup selections? When will this team form some semblance of chemistry?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:56 am to Broski
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Bob got fired for losing in the final.
I've always been in the camp that Bob was unjustly fired. He was a great tactician, and the players knew their roles, despite lesser talent. His record in his last few months were shitty because he did what everyone here has suggested and let most of the stars rest after the WC.
JK was a striker, and it shows.
Zardes HAS to work on his first touch. Without a good first touch, the rest of your game is null. He cost us multiple scoring opportunities with his lack of touch.
Bradley didn't look very good all tournament. He obviously isn't comfortable in the 10 role.
Defense is a mess...where is Besler? Not the best, but you know you will get solid and steady play out of him.
Bedoya was one of the better players...just lacking fitness.
Fabian needs to be in the midfield. His talents just aren't utilized enough at the back.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 8:59 am to 5thTiger
Jurgen's record in competitive tournaments is basically equal to Bradley's. The main difference to me is that Bradley did it with a much shittier player pool.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 9:00 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:02 am to cwil177
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Jurgen's record in competitive tournaments is basically equal to Bradley's. The main difference to me is that Bradley did it with a much shittier player pool.
I was just about to post the same thing. Seems like we have basically the same results with a more talented player pool.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:03 am to 5thTiger
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Bedoya was one of the better players...just lacking fitness.
He was terrible last night. IMO, he had the worst performance on the night. Some of his touches were absolutely laughable.
I'm still wondering why we stopped taking pot shots at the keeper a few minutes after we scored. He couldn't hold anything and we had three players (Bradley, Mix, Johnson) who are quite good at long-distance shooting. Instead, we brought on Alan Gordon and started going route one.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:08 am to 5thTiger
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He obviously isn't comfortable in the 10 role.
he's never been effective in this role. always better in the #6 position. yet Jurgen continues to force him into the #10 role.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:10 am to 5thTiger
Firing him now would be dumb, if he loses the play off go for it, whatever.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:13 am to etm512
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Not sure about this tourney but in 13 games this year we have used 11 different back 4 combos
In my opinion, it is more important to have consistency in the back four and GK than any other areas. Particularly, central defenders need an understanding of one another's tendencies and positioning to develop a rhythm. Jurgen has shown a pattern of plug-and-play in defense from one competitive match to another. I thought he might use some of the early GC games to build consistency in defense. Instead, he employed defensive changes from one game to the next. Made no sense to me.
I've been patient in criticizing Jurgen because I look at a national team manager's record in competitive matches. We won the '13 GC and fared well in the WC considering our group. Our performances in this GC though weren't good enough overall. Central defensive partnership was too young and not yet up to standard. No way anyone on this board honestly believes our best CD partnership in the pool is Brooks/Alvarado. So why did Jurgen in our biggest GC games?
Considering our performances in the tournament, I'm not that shocked by the result. Beckerman is well past his prime, and Bradley was again played out of position. We were young in central defense and benign in attack, outside of Dempsey. Although I hoped we would pull it all together before the end, it sort of felt like it was coming.
That's my 2 cents...
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:20 am to TN Bhoy
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He was terrible last night. IMO, he had the worst performance on the night. Some of his touches were absolutely laughable.
He played for Rangers once so you will never say anything good about him, ever. It's laughable.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:20 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
It was mentioned on the broadcast last night, but this Jamaican team has been together for almost 2 months now. That's a serious advantage.
Aron missed an absolute sitter, a wide open goal. Every bit as bad as Wondo's World Cup miss. Chances were squandered left and right in the second half, that's not Jurgen's fault.
The reality is he wants the US soccer federation to operate like a high level international FA, and when high level international team's lose tournaments they're supposed to win, on home-soil no less, people get fired.
Aron missed an absolute sitter, a wide open goal. Every bit as bad as Wondo's World Cup miss. Chances were squandered left and right in the second half, that's not Jurgen's fault.
The reality is he wants the US soccer federation to operate like a high level international FA, and when high level international team's lose tournaments they're supposed to win, on home-soil no less, people get fired.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:20 am to cwil177
Bradley was fired just to take a chance on, as I said before, a "rebrand" of US Soccer. All of the hype was just too much.
I think that this Imposter Syndrome bullshite where good results are all flukes is just plain ridiculous. Results are what matter. Facts are that we've owned CONCACAF and Mexico for a few years now, we exceeded a lot of people's expectations at the World Cup, and we've been going to Europe and getting results.
These things matter in terms of "progress", and if the pre-WC drama doesn't go down, Jurgen has a LOT more love going around. I remember how fricking amped everyone was to go to Italy and win, even if it was a friendly. You'd have sworn we'd just won the Final.
We lost to Jamaica because we didn't take them serious enough. Everything was focused on Mexico moving forward, we had a bad outing in terms of finishing, and they punished us for it.
As for the praise for Bradley as a tactician, that means frick all when you struggle to adjust at all. This is just typical grass is greener nonsense. Dude isn't some martyr. He had a tough run, and we took a chance. At the worst, it's a push in terms of results. Worth the risk we took, in my opinion.
I think that this Imposter Syndrome bullshite where good results are all flukes is just plain ridiculous. Results are what matter. Facts are that we've owned CONCACAF and Mexico for a few years now, we exceeded a lot of people's expectations at the World Cup, and we've been going to Europe and getting results.
These things matter in terms of "progress", and if the pre-WC drama doesn't go down, Jurgen has a LOT more love going around. I remember how fricking amped everyone was to go to Italy and win, even if it was a friendly. You'd have sworn we'd just won the Final.
We lost to Jamaica because we didn't take them serious enough. Everything was focused on Mexico moving forward, we had a bad outing in terms of finishing, and they punished us for it.
As for the praise for Bradley as a tactician, that means frick all when you struggle to adjust at all. This is just typical grass is greener nonsense. Dude isn't some martyr. He had a tough run, and we took a chance. At the worst, it's a push in terms of results. Worth the risk we took, in my opinion.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:30 am to Dijkstra
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We lost to Jamaica because we didn't take them serious enough. Everything was focused on Mexico moving forward, we had a bad outing in terms of finishing, and they punished us for it.
This isn't just about losing to Jamaica. We looked like crap this entire tournament
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:51 am to cwil177
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He played for Rangers once so you will never say anything good about him, ever. It's laughable.
I've been one of his biggest defenders on here over the last two years.
Once again, your irrational hatred of me is shining through.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:52 am to etm512
A lot of over reaction. It is the Gold Cup does anyone really GAF. Win the playoff game and it is all forgotten.
With the level of control Jurgen was given over all of US Soccer makes it really hard to just fire the guy.
With the level of control Jurgen was given over all of US Soccer makes it really hard to just fire the guy.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:55 am to bamaphan13
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It is the Gold Cup does anyone really GAF
Yes.
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Win the playoff game and it is all forgotten.
Win the Gold Cup and there is no playoff match.
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With the level of control Jurgen was given over all of US Soccer makes it really hard to just fire the guy.
Give him an administrative position.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:58 am to bamaphan13
What if we lose the playoff game?
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