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re: Fab sent home from camp
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:59 am to 5thTiger
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:59 am to 5thTiger
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What about a 5'10" GK with 38% PK save rate?
As opposed to 14% in Tim Howard?
Or 33% in Brad Guzan
That's pretty damn marginal especially when you consider the competition. I would much rather use the 3rd sub to either win it in ET or sub in a great PK taker
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Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:59 am to 5thTiger
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If Johnson felt he couldn't go the length, he should have pulled himself after 90, not with 9 minutes left in ET. At that point, we had only used 1 sub, and would have been perfectly reasonable.
and just FYI, yes, there were multiple others coming off injuries who went the distance. Beasley and Jones in particular.
All injuries are equal?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:04 am to etm512
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That's pretty damn marginal especially when you consider the competition. I would much rather use the 3rd sub to either win it in ET or sub in a great PK taker
5% is a pretty big difference. Add in the Spanish factor. Rimando speaks it, negating the potential advantage of keepers telling PK takers the GK weakness spots. Which happens.
It might be hard for some who have never played to understand, but PK's are incredibly more mental than physical.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:08 am to 5thTiger
Dude, you're really stretching at this point.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:08 am to 5thTiger
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5% is a pretty big difference
With everything else being equal it would be
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It might be hard for some who have never played to understand, but PK's are incredibly more mental than physical.
Nobody ever said they weren't
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:42 am to 5thTiger
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How I know you don't watch football ^
Since I'm such a neophyte, when else has it happened?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:51 am to crazy4lsu
It honestly blows my mind that we have people who will take Jurgen's side on this when he's done everything to take the blame off of his shoulder, somehow blaming the refs and fans for the loss against Jamaica, blaming Bedoya for not being a defensive mid and now blaming our best player who had been out injured and was only recently back for pulling himself out of the game after playing 111 minutes.
Fabian Johnson is usually the guy most screwed over by our tactics. He's repeatedly had to play fullback and outside mid at the same time. He consistently grades out as our best player, never bitches about the workload being put on him and all of a sudden he's the villain?
Give me a break, Fabian Johnson is a starter for a Champions League squad, he doesn't need Jürgen's bullshite. I wouldn't blame him if he told Sunil and his butt buddy to go frick themselves.
Klinsmann got his tactics all wrong again and the only plan he had in extra time was to sub on a midget keeper for penalties. Good fricking work, guy. It pisses me off that so many people fail to see his faults because he's German. He has the tactical maturity of a 15 year old who cites his FIFA manager mode.
Fabian Johnson is usually the guy most screwed over by our tactics. He's repeatedly had to play fullback and outside mid at the same time. He consistently grades out as our best player, never bitches about the workload being put on him and all of a sudden he's the villain?
Give me a break, Fabian Johnson is a starter for a Champions League squad, he doesn't need Jürgen's bullshite. I wouldn't blame him if he told Sunil and his butt buddy to go frick themselves.
Klinsmann got his tactics all wrong again and the only plan he had in extra time was to sub on a midget keeper for penalties. Good fricking work, guy. It pisses me off that so many people fail to see his faults because he's German. He has the tactical maturity of a 15 year old who cites his FIFA manager mode.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:57 am to hendersonshands
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Give me a break, Fabian Johnson is a starter for a Champions League squad, he doesn't need Jürgen's bull shite. I wouldn't blame him if he told Sunil and his butt buddy to go frick themselves.
I'm pretty sure Fab hasn't started, let alone even played in any of Borussia Monchengladbach's UCL matches this year. I know he definitely didn't play against City.
Was he just hurt?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:58 am to hendersonshands
Well said
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:59 am to hendersonshands
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Klinsmann got his tactics all wrong again and the only plan he had in extra time was to sub on a midget keeper for penalties
But this is a classic tactic. It's only happened a handful of times in tournament football, but it's a classic tactic. It's super common for your best goalkeeper to not be your best penalty saver. It's a classic tactic. Play for penalties against your superior opponent who surely won't score during open play. Then sub in your GK despite the fact you had two absolutely knackered players in regular time who could have been substituted.
LINK
Preliminary research indicates that it hasn't happened all that often. The fact that this article from ten years ago can point to only a handful of instances is indicative of its rarity.
It's an absolutely silly thing to plan for.
I don't have anymore time to research it, but I think the Dutch example is the only time it has happened in a WC, where a keeper was substituted for the specific purpose of penalty kicks. At least it's the only time I remember from any of the past four WC's.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:01 am to McCaigBro69
He's been out injured with a calf injury for a good bit of the year.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:02 am to hendersonshands
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He's been out injured with a calf injury for a good bit of the year.
Ah okay! I don't keep up too much with the Bundesliga.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:02 am to crazy4lsu
At least we don't have any reason to believe that Jurgen would let a petty, personal squabble affect how he manages the USMNT.
That would be a travesty that warrants the loss of his job.
That would be a travesty that warrants the loss of his job.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:04 am to Dijkstra
Yea, let's take up for Jermaine Jones. Do we remember how they scored their last goal? Because JJ was exhausted and had a bullshite slide tackle from behind. They got a free kick, which was hit in the air, then that dickhead Messican rocketed one home.
Maybe if he wasn't playing a 33 year old Jones as an outside attacker, and played him in his natural midfield position, he wouldn't have been dying at the end of the game.
There is a HUGE difference between players giving up and players physically not being able to do it anymore. Fabian has been injured, played 110 minutes and felt he was a liability. I would rather have someone say "I'm hurting the team, I can't go it anymore", than stand out there and try to go 100% but physically not be able to.
120 minute game, we want to save a sub for a goalkeeper why we have players practically passing out on the pitch. LOLLLLLLLLLL
Maybe if he wasn't playing a 33 year old Jones as an outside attacker, and played him in his natural midfield position, he wouldn't have been dying at the end of the game.
There is a HUGE difference between players giving up and players physically not being able to do it anymore. Fabian has been injured, played 110 minutes and felt he was a liability. I would rather have someone say "I'm hurting the team, I can't go it anymore", than stand out there and try to go 100% but physically not be able to.
120 minute game, we want to save a sub for a goalkeeper why we have players practically passing out on the pitch. LOLLLLLLLLLL
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:06 am to hendersonshands
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It honestly blows my mind that we have people who will take Jurgen's side on this when he's done everything to take the blame off of his shoulder, somehow blaming the refs and fans for the loss against Jamaica, blaming Bedoya for not being a defensive mid and now blaming our best player who had been out injured and was only recently back for pulling himself out of the game after playing 111 minutes.
I'm far from a Klinsmann supporter. I think he is an awful manager. But in this situation, he is perfectly justified IMO. Fabs decided he couldn't tough it out 9 more minutes for "his country". Heck, I'd take a beating by a pro boxer for 9 minutes if I could still stand for my country.
Klinsmann playing Fabs as a fullback isn't the question. Fabs pulling himself in the 111th minute is.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:17 am to 5thTiger
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Fabs decided he couldn't tough it out 9 more minutes for "his country". Heck, I'd take a beating by a pro boxer for 9 minutes if I could still stand for my country
Dumbest thing I've ever heard. What if you getting beat to shite by a pro boxer hurt others? So the beating was unnecessary and hurt others. Did you really accomplish anything? It is a scientific fact that sometimes your body just cannot go on. This isn't life or death, Fabs felt (as he should have) that there was a fresher player that could come on and do a BETTER job that he would do for the last 10 minutes.
We can throw out stats about PK save percentage and bullshite, but what does that matter if we don't get there? It's not like Fab's replacement gave up the goal. The only consequence of his action was that Jurgen blasted him in the media and sent arguably our best player home because his feathers were ruffled. And Jurgy once again had to make sure his authority is known.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:31 am to LSUButt
Playing for PK's is rarely a viable strategy, and eating that sub until the 119th minute for the purpose of the penalty shootout was also poor. Jones was gassed at the 75th minute. Now that it comes out that Johnson actually has a thigh injury and wasn't taking himself off for the purpose of ruining JK's master plan, why should we believe a word JK says about it?
Are we that much worse than Mexico that we had to play for a god damn penalty shootout with them? The answer is clear and maybe playing for the shootout was JK conceding their superiority. Regardless, when both sides are organized, the US is generally a better team. When we play players out of position, and with no regard for spacing, of course we are going to make Mexico look amazing.
The fact that Beckerman was constantly overrun in zone 14 destroyed our spacing, as it caused Jones to tuck in, leaving his wing free. If Jones was simply a wing player with proper support centrally, maybe he wouldn't have been gassed. But the fact that he was is not indicative of poor fitness, but rather extremely poor tactics.
Are we that much worse than Mexico that we had to play for a god damn penalty shootout with them? The answer is clear and maybe playing for the shootout was JK conceding their superiority. Regardless, when both sides are organized, the US is generally a better team. When we play players out of position, and with no regard for spacing, of course we are going to make Mexico look amazing.
The fact that Beckerman was constantly overrun in zone 14 destroyed our spacing, as it caused Jones to tuck in, leaving his wing free. If Jones was simply a wing player with proper support centrally, maybe he wouldn't have been gassed. But the fact that he was is not indicative of poor fitness, but rather extremely poor tactics.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:35 am to McCaigBro69
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I'm pretty sure Fab hasn't started, let alone even played in any of Borussia Monchengladbach's UCL matches this year. I know he definitely didn't play against City.
lmao he fouled Aguero for the winning penalty. Do you even watch your team play?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:35 am to hendersonshands
None of JKs many many shortcomings mean that, while he is manager, he can't or shouldn't raise hell when one of his players undermines his authority or whatever you want to call it when a player unilaterally decides to remove himself from a game when he could continue.
I don't think you can look at this one situation and say a manager does t have a right and obligation to respond to what he claims Fabian did. If it would be the right move for a manager you like, it's the right move here too.
Fabian being a good player doesn't mean he can just do whatever he wants. Well, he can, but that doesn't make it right.
I don't think you can look at this one situation and say a manager does t have a right and obligation to respond to what he claims Fabian did. If it would be the right move for a manager you like, it's the right move here too.
Fabian being a good player doesn't mean he can just do whatever he wants. Well, he can, but that doesn't make it right.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:38 am to crazy4lsu
Yeah the diamond 4-4-2 clearly isn't working, and we aren't great with only one defensive midfielder. It causes too many problems.
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