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re: Conte throwing non needed shots at the MLS
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:13 pm to Piscinin
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:13 pm to Piscinin
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i dont' see why so many americans feel the need to oversell their league
Yea, no one is doing that. We just don't want to hear this Italian douche saying it. Your mother may be ugly but you probably don't want to hear me say it.
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:29 pm to inelishaitrust
Pelle, Immobile, Rossi, Belotti, Pavoletti
5, not all will be called up, but I'm also not including bernadeschi, insigne, and e shaarawy who will likely play off of the main striker, all of whom are better and more deserving of a spot in the 23 man squad, not sure why so many people try to guess about players they obviously don't have a clue about.
5, not all will be called up, but I'm also not including bernadeschi, insigne, and e shaarawy who will likely play off of the main striker, all of whom are better and more deserving of a spot in the 23 man squad, not sure why so many people try to guess about players they obviously don't have a clue about.
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:31 pm to LuckyTiger
Lol he didn't say that though, he alluded to the fact that it comes into consideration due to how god awful defenses are (which is a 100% valid point, and if a reporter asks him that he's not going to lie)
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:05 pm to inelishaitrust
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You can argue that MLS is a shite league that makes players worse, but you can't argue that Italy has 4 strikers who'll help them win Euro 2016 more than Giovinco would.
That is exactly what I just argued above.
Insigne is much, much, much better and really the only similar forward on the roster.
El Sharaawy is also better but that's not really even a like for like since he defends well as a winger.
I don't even see the point of comparing Giovinco to #9 center forwards who are going to be able to hold the ball up ect like whichever two of Immobile, Zaza and Pelle are chosen. However, that's two more forwards you have to bring unless you hire Luciano Spalletti.
It's not like Italian NT fans haven't seen Giovinco play this past year for the Italian NT and while he was pretty good he really wasn't any better than Bernadesci or Eder.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:13 pm to wm72
wm72,
See, what you said is perfectly fine. Why not just say "I felt we have better, different players that can do what Giovinco does and in some cases, even more, such as better hold up play." Why the need to say (or insinuate) that he is not being picked because he plays in a much worse league?
See, what you said is perfectly fine. Why not just say "I felt we have better, different players that can do what Giovinco does and in some cases, even more, such as better hold up play." Why the need to say (or insinuate) that he is not being picked because he plays in a much worse league?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:21 am to wm72
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It's not like Italian NT fans haven't seen Giovinco play this past year for the Italian NT and while he was pretty good he really wasn't any better than Bernadesci or Eder.
I'd actually completely overestimated his performance with the national team. I saw him play at Euro 2012 and the confed cup, and he absolutely looked the part, but he hasn't been productive with the National team. 1 goal in 23 appearances.
I think a lot of what Conte had to say was about Serie A protectionism. National team coaches have an obligation to the domestic league, it only makes sense that he'd want good players to play there.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:44 am to John Keating
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wm72,
See, what you said is perfectly fine. Why not just say "I felt we have better, different players that can do what Giovinco does and in some cases, even more, such as better hold up play." Why the need to say (or insinuate) that he is not being picked because he plays in a much worse league?
I do agree that it was better to just not have said anything beyond the "we've evaluated them carefully".
I haven't really read too much about this. Just from the quotes in the original post though, it seems like the more negative light cast on the MLS comes from the author of the article in insinuating the main reason Giovinco didn't make it was due playing in the MLS.
It's not really earth shaking that there really are consequences to playing out of the spotlight of the NT manager even if you don't consider strength of defenders etc. . .
Nainggolan made a telling comment about never getting a look for the Belgian team and then being left off the WC roster when joking that he wasn't sure their NT manager realized Italy had a professional football league.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:56 am to inelishaitrust
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I'd actually completely overestimated his performance with the national team. I saw him play at Euro 2012 and the confed cup, and he absolutely looked the part, but he hasn't been productive with the National team. 1 goal in 23 appearances.
Giovinco is an electric talent that can change a match by pulling magic out of a hat but he's struggled throughout his career when facing really top class defenders.
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I think a lot of what Conte had to say was about Serie A protectionism. National team coaches have an obligation to the domestic league, it only makes sense that he'd want good players to play there.
I'm sure they think it's an added pain in the arse to have to track players across leagues other than the biggest 4 or 5 and then also consider how much their "form" has to do with defenses being a bit more porous instead of seeing every prospect on a more level playing field.
Easier and more fun to just jetset around Milan, Roma, London, Paris and Madrid watching big matches.
Graziano Pelle never really got considered until moving to the EPL and most thought Criscito didn't get enough consideration due to playing at Zenit (and they were in the CL every year).
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 1:01 am
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:43 pm to wm72
Giovinco is a smart guy and I love his attitude.
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Like normal, I was upset about it but it is useless to think about it. I need to keep going and I need to keep improving so that I can try and find my place back home on the national team.
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At the end of the day you need to see what the coach says and how he interprets things when he chooses his team. It can be right, it can be wrong, but its not really my place to say. I think that he knows what is best and I think it is a good decision if that is what he thinks and there really is no sense for me to continue to talk about it.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:54 pm to Piscinin
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Lapadula has a better claim to a spot on the 30 man roster given that he's playing in a much tougher league, and there's been no uproar over him not being selected.
I don't think Serie B is better than MLS.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:38 pm to cwil177
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Lapadula has a better claim to a spot on the 30 man roster given that he's playing in a much tougher league, and there's been no uproar over him not being selected.
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I don't think Serie B is better than MLS.
It's a tough comparison to make since MLS probably has more quality bigger name players but Serie B has more young talent.
I do think the defenses in Serie B are much tougher since it's a proving ground for Italian managers and filled with not only younger defenders but journeyman squad and depth players that would improve most MLS defenses.
It's just so hard to compare though since you always have a couple of teams filled with younger talent who'll almost all be Serie A regulars in the near future but then some pretty weak teams as well.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:09 am to wm72
I can't really disagree with anything in that post. Thanks for sharing your insight 
Posted on 5/28/16 at 4:30 am to Keys Open Doors
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There are not 5 forwards in better form than Giovonco right now.
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