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Charlton Athletic question
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:16 am
I have a friend in England who's a huge Charlton Athletic fan. I know nothing about European soccer. He's been messaging me lately that they have been doing well which has allowed them to stay safe and not get regulated. I just reply with that's great but have no idea what he's talking about.
A few questions and please excuse my ignorance:
- How would Charlton Athletic compare to college football? Would they be considered D1, D2 or lower level? I'm trying to figure out how large they are comparative to college football's divisional hierarchy (Hope this makes sense)
- What does it mean to "stay safe" and "not get regulated"
Thanks for any and all replies! Soccer is a great sport and I'm slowly trying to learn more about it.
A few questions and please excuse my ignorance:
- How would Charlton Athletic compare to college football? Would they be considered D1, D2 or lower level? I'm trying to figure out how large they are comparative to college football's divisional hierarchy (Hope this makes sense)
- What does it mean to "stay safe" and "not get regulated"
Thanks for any and all replies! Soccer is a great sport and I'm slowly trying to learn more about it.
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:21 am to Palmetto08
Damn I remember when Valley was rocking
Danny Murphy
Danny Murphy
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:28 am to Palmetto08
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How would Charlton Athletic compare to college football? Would they be considered D1, D2 or lower level? I'm trying to figure out how large they are comparative to college football's divisional hierarchy (Hope this makes sense)
Football is organized in tiers, with teams being able to move up or down based on play over the course of a season. The best teams play in the Premier League. After that comes the Championship, then League 1, 2 and so on. Charlton are in the Championship, or the tier below the Premier League. It's hard to make the connection to American sports because we don't have a system like it.
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What does it mean to "stay safe" and "not get regulated"
So teams can move up or down by being promoted or relegated. By "staying safe", Charlton successfully avoided being relegated and dropping down into a lower tier. This is great because it allows you to be playing in the same league again the next season instead of a lower one filled with less talented teams.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:29 am to Palmetto08
English football has 4 leagues so using your college football analogy, premier league is nfl, the championship is division 1, league 1 is d2, league 2 is d3. Charlton are in the championship but only finished 7 pts from relegation (also it's relegation not regulation). This means they are a pretty crappy d1 team. Relegation means to be sent down a league so if they would have been relegated from the championship they would have played next season in league 1. Hope this helps, watch as much World Cup as you can and you will be fully hooked.
Well now you have 2 answers
Well now you have 2 answers
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
I use to, and still do, have a soft spot for them. They had alot of good players come through. The first kit I was about to order was one of my favorite players Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink finaly left Cheslea went to Middlesbrough, then to Charlton, but alas purchased a Giggs one instead.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:33 am to Palmetto08
England has 4 tiers in their professional football (soccer) configuration.
Over the course of my life, the names have changed frequently of these tiers, so it is very confusing.
But just think of them as Tiers 1, 2, 3, and 4.
There are 20 teams in Tier 1, and 24 teams in the remaining 3.
Each year, the bottom 3 teams are relegated from Tiers 1, 2, and 3 to the lower tier, and the top 3 teams are promoted from Tiers 2, 3, and 4 to the above tier.
Historically, the last team of the 4th Tier has been relegated out of the setup entirely, and another club is brought up into the 4th Tier from the Football League (a lower grouping of professional clubs).
Charlton is in the 2nd Tier- this past season they finished near the bottom, but not in the Bottom 3, so they were "safe" from relegation.
The confusing part is the renaming of these tiers. When I was growing up, they were easily called the First Division, Second Division, etc. In 1992, they re-named the 1st Division the "Premier League", the 2nd Division became the First Division, and so on. Now, they are calling the 1st Division (the old 2nd Division) the Championship, and the old 3rd Division became the 2nd Division, is now the 1st Division, and so on.
Hope this helps!
Over the course of my life, the names have changed frequently of these tiers, so it is very confusing.
But just think of them as Tiers 1, 2, 3, and 4.
There are 20 teams in Tier 1, and 24 teams in the remaining 3.
Each year, the bottom 3 teams are relegated from Tiers 1, 2, and 3 to the lower tier, and the top 3 teams are promoted from Tiers 2, 3, and 4 to the above tier.
Historically, the last team of the 4th Tier has been relegated out of the setup entirely, and another club is brought up into the 4th Tier from the Football League (a lower grouping of professional clubs).
Charlton is in the 2nd Tier- this past season they finished near the bottom, but not in the Bottom 3, so they were "safe" from relegation.
The confusing part is the renaming of these tiers. When I was growing up, they were easily called the First Division, Second Division, etc. In 1992, they re-named the 1st Division the "Premier League", the 2nd Division became the First Division, and so on. Now, they are calling the 1st Division (the old 2nd Division) the Championship, and the old 3rd Division became the 2nd Division, is now the 1st Division, and so on.
Hope this helps!
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:03 pm to Palmetto08
They were a scrappy team back in the alan curbishley era. I remember when some touted curbs as a sven replacement for england.
Dean kiely, matt fish, jason euell, herman hreidrrson. Scott parker was their best young player. Was also lee bowyers first club. The valley is a nice ground.
Basically they are playing with the mcneeses and youngstown states. If u want a d1 analogy, they have a nice history but have struggled lately and are trying to get back up...they were down in the third teir recently.
Guess you could compare them to a tulane or southern miss
Dean kiely, matt fish, jason euell, herman hreidrrson. Scott parker was their best young player. Was also lee bowyers first club. The valley is a nice ground.
Basically they are playing with the mcneeses and youngstown states. If u want a d1 analogy, they have a nice history but have struggled lately and are trying to get back up...they were down in the third teir recently.
Guess you could compare them to a tulane or southern miss
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:13 pm to Palmetto08
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How would Charlton Athletic compare to college football? Would they be considered D1, D2 or lower level?
Strictly aligning tiers: FCS
Realistically, probably more like shitty BCS
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:38 pm to Palmetto08
After we demolished West Ham late in 07, I thought for sure we were staying up.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:04 pm to 9th life
Thank you very much for the detailed replies. It makes sense now.
A few more questions:
- What if division 1 powers Manchester United or Manchester City had a bad season. Would they be dropped to the league below them? And wouldn't that be a treat for second tier league fans to have such a powerhouse coming to their stadium?
- Do different leagues play each other and what's the talent gap between teams in league 1 and 2?
- Do league moves happen every year and are they made at the end of the season?
Thanks for answering my questions!!
A few more questions:
- What if division 1 powers Manchester United or Manchester City had a bad season. Would they be dropped to the league below them? And wouldn't that be a treat for second tier league fans to have such a powerhouse coming to their stadium?
- Do different leagues play each other and what's the talent gap between teams in league 1 and 2?
- Do league moves happen every year and are they made at the end of the season?
Thanks for answering my questions!!
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:08 pm to S
quote:
The valley is a nice ground.
The upkeep of late really has been shite
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Matty Holland gang
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:18 pm to Palmetto08
Manchester City only a couple of seasons ago became one of the top teams in the league, so while thier religation would be huge, it wouldn't match that of Man Utd. Leeds United use to be one of the top clubs in England, but are now in the Championship and would be the closest to a total team collapse. (I know that was more of an anti-city rant than answering your question)
They have the League Cup and FA Cup.
The FA Cup is every team in England that is part of a league can compete. So if you had a Sunday team theoreticaly you could play the Final in Wembley agianst a Man United.
The League Cup (or Carling) is only Premier League, Championship League, League 1, 2.
They have the League Cup and FA Cup.
The FA Cup is every team in England that is part of a league can compete. So if you had a Sunday team theoreticaly you could play the Final in Wembley agianst a Man United.
The League Cup (or Carling) is only Premier League, Championship League, League 1, 2.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:32 pm to engvol
quote:
He's been messaging me lately that they have been doing well which has allowed them to stay safe and not get regulated
Those damn regulators
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:32 pm to Palmetto08
There is basically no way a superclub like Manchester United would get sent down. For reference, they just had their worst season in the last couple decades by far and finished in 7th place. It would be crazy if Man U went down though.
Different divisions will play each in other cups. There is a talent difference, but I cannot exactly quantify it.
The relegation and promotion process is annual after each season.
Different divisions will play each in other cups. There is a talent difference, but I cannot exactly quantify it.
The relegation and promotion process is annual after each season.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:45 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Again, thanks for answering my questions!!
Posted on 5/22/14 at 3:08 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
There is basically no way a superclub like Manchester United would get sent down. For reference, they just had their worst season in the last couple decades by far and finished in 7th place. It would be crazy if Man U went down though.
they actually did back in the 70s... Arsenal has been in the top flight for 95 years
the biggest club relegated in the last decade was Newcastle United and they bounced straight back up...
Posted on 5/22/14 at 3:13 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
There is basically no way a superclub like Manchester United would get sent down. For reference, they just had their worst season in the last couple decades by far and finished in 7th place. It would be crazy if Man U went down though.
Well we have before
Then the Red Army terrorized away grounds in the old 2nd division
Posted on 5/22/14 at 3:15 pm to chalmetteowl
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they actually did back in the 70s
so did Liverpool and Chelsea
Posted on 5/22/14 at 3:30 pm to chalmetteowl
I meant more along the lines of the Prem era with the huge wages and transfer fees. The past is different. Just like Nottingham Forest has no chance to win the Champions League anymore.
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