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re: Can someone explain to me why our youth system is bad?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:59 pm to Michael Stein
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:59 pm to Michael Stein
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Hell, I would even require that every parent volunteer helping out at the young child level should have to have at least the F license, and those should be provided for free. We need a better pipeline to get former players directly involved in coaching.
Ten years ago, when I was coaching at Lafreniere as a parent, we received F or E licenses from the club. I'll have to go back and find the card, I don't think it was a USSF card, just a Lafreniere and Louisiana SF card. But we got it, of course it wasn't a long thing, just a Sunday afternoon.
LSA tried to get us to not count wins and losses, but try to train all the kids to play the right way. I did this, too, but it's tough when everyone wants to win, as that's our culture.
I would give them goals to achieve each game, and many tried like hell. So many "pull backs," so many completed passes, so many "Cruyff" moves, call for the ball in space...and what have you, and I'd do my best to try and track them.
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 6:50 pm to Xenophon
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Why on earth would club teams let everyone play for free? Are coaches going to coach for free? Are fields provided for free?
I believe the argument isn't "free" as much as "reasonable."
MLS/USSF would benefit from increased youth particiption by both fan growth + talentpool development. Makes sense that they should want to make that capital investment
Additionally, you can reason that a MLS run youth soccer program would benefit cost wise from an economy of scale, corporate structure efficiency and more competent administrators than a local club
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:06 am to GenesChin
quote:there's a number in this country that's the magic number as far as developing talent. Every city or town over X people has or should have a club and youth program
Additionally, you can reason that a MLS run youth soccer program would benefit cost wise from an economy of scale, corporate structure efficiency and more competent administrators than a local club
And talking about an MLS program, they only cover 20 cities unless we're helping team Canada too... Huge chunks of our country are far from MLS.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:15 pm to Xenophon
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Can someone explain to me why our youth system is bad?
Here is an example of where I live in IA. Cost $400 per season(fall and spring) and coaches are just parents that tell the defenders to stand on there own 6 and kick the ball to their kid or as far up the field as you can. Don't let other team score is the goal. And hope your one good kid(who you never want to pass) scores a goal. It was the same when we lived in LA AL and AR. Money goes to USSF. Coaches aren't paid just parents. Fields are city owned in all 4 states. We had to buy are own jerseys ball and equipment. So you have 15 kids on a team $800 per kid. That's $12,000 per year. Up here we went to 2 tournaments for my younger kid we had to pay more for. Luckily one of my kids coaches is head men's coach at a D2 school in town so he is not about results and we work out the back and pass and don't just park in front of goal. But I've seen the same in 4 states. Pay a lot to have patents coach that only want to win(a lot has to do with pressure from clueless parents). So it's park the bus. And who knows where money goes. There are 4 different leagues in town. I've switched between the 1st 3. They are all the same. Even did city league. It was $20(twenty) bucks and you had the same level of coaching Some even better that wasn't affiliated with USSF but it only went up to 12 year olds
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:53 pm to lsugorilla
The US also has a geography problem when it comes to youth soccer
Due to having a limited number of quality coaches + scouts we face the following issues
1) Elite talent aren't near elite coaching-> Tyler Adams had to drive 2.5+ hours per day to make it to a DA
2) Limited quality competition in local area which hinders development
3) Talent slips through the cracks. Good luck getting scouted if you life a few hours outside a major city or states who don't have quality leagues
Due to having a limited number of quality coaches + scouts we face the following issues
1) Elite talent aren't near elite coaching-> Tyler Adams had to drive 2.5+ hours per day to make it to a DA
2) Limited quality competition in local area which hinders development
3) Talent slips through the cracks. Good luck getting scouted if you life a few hours outside a major city or states who don't have quality leagues
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
What are the barriers of entry for starting academies? Do you need some kind of OK from USSF? Could a bored rich guy that loves soccer just open an academy and hire top coaches?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:17 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Top Drawer Soccer Show podcast did an entire show today on 10 things that can be done to improve youth soccer. Some were pie in the sky things that’ll never happen but several were good ideas. I’d recommend listening to it if you’re really interested.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:08 am to okietiger13
some guy actually just built a training center behind his house in hattiesburg a stones throw from me. "southern states soccer-the Oakes training center"
They've got what amounts to, at least what I can see from the highway, two full size artificial turf fields. The video on their Facebook page suggests that central/South Americans are teaching them how to play instead of billy's dad.
if every Hattiesburg or Birmingham or Baton Rouge had one of these then we would be in business
I can not, however, find anything related to costs on their Facebook page or website
They've got what amounts to, at least what I can see from the highway, two full size artificial turf fields. The video on their Facebook page suggests that central/South Americans are teaching them how to play instead of billy's dad.
if every Hattiesburg or Birmingham or Baton Rouge had one of these then we would be in business
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Southern States Soccer was founded in 2015 by former collegiate and professional soccer coach Nigel Boulton who later joined with a group of committed investors eager to bring elite, high level soccer opportunities to the local area and region.
In 2016 Nigel linked up again with his former All-American player and assistant coach Carl Reynolds who had been coaching in Spain at La Liga club Sporting Gijon and at the New York Red Bulls of Major League Soccer. Along with Paul Roblin an experienced administrator and former youth soccer club President, they together spearhead this progressive organization providing a full range of soccer services. Their belief that local clubs and associations were under serving parents and players by not providing the level of training and development necessary was the catalyst for this amazing project.
“The objective is to provide local youth the opportunity to pursue the game they love at an elite level.” Announced President Paul Roblin at the 2016 player signing banquet.
I can not, however, find anything related to costs on their Facebook page or website
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:18 am to okietiger13
Beating a dead horse here, but geography is an issue for youth development outside of large cities. My kid has been nominated by coaches in his club to progress to a USSF regional PDP. I'm looking at a two hour plus drive just for the tryout, and then he'll have the chance to progress to the next level on regional.
Assuming he makes the next level, I'm looking at extended travel for the PDP. Based on where we live, the next level will be four to six hours from home. That doesn't fit the narrative for a normal family trying to keep kids focused on the things that really matter.
I do know of one kid my son's age who is a very talented player. His family relocated to Dallas so he could play on a developmental team there. He might progress into a great player as he matures, but relocating a family for youth sports is asinine, in my opinion.
It's possible that the metropolitan areas can develop kids in youth soccer, but the regional PDP outside of the metroplitan areas doesn't make sense. A lot of kids will fall through the cracks, and when they finish HS soccer, their only option is to play for small colleges.
The European and S. American club model is the answer. But then again, I'm not willing to ship my 12 year old off to a club team for development in a sport, because I'd rather raise my own kids under my own roof. Youth sports is important to us, but our lives don't revolve around their success in sports.
So I guess it comes full circle... Soccer in the US doesn't measure up to soccer in other countries, in any form or fashion.
Assuming he makes the next level, I'm looking at extended travel for the PDP. Based on where we live, the next level will be four to six hours from home. That doesn't fit the narrative for a normal family trying to keep kids focused on the things that really matter.
I do know of one kid my son's age who is a very talented player. His family relocated to Dallas so he could play on a developmental team there. He might progress into a great player as he matures, but relocating a family for youth sports is asinine, in my opinion.
It's possible that the metropolitan areas can develop kids in youth soccer, but the regional PDP outside of the metroplitan areas doesn't make sense. A lot of kids will fall through the cracks, and when they finish HS soccer, their only option is to play for small colleges.
The European and S. American club model is the answer. But then again, I'm not willing to ship my 12 year old off to a club team for development in a sport, because I'd rather raise my own kids under my own roof. Youth sports is important to us, but our lives don't revolve around their success in sports.
So I guess it comes full circle... Soccer in the US doesn't measure up to soccer in other countries, in any form or fashion.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:44 am to Bill Parker?
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, but geography is an issue for youth development outside of large cities.
You mention this, but pretty soon, this won't be an issue, if the type of facility Hattiesburg has (as was posted) is any indication.
Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, Lake Charles, Lafayette, BR, Houma, Laplace, Metairie, the West Bank, the Northshore, and NOLA, maybe Chalmette too, need to have similar facilities
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:38 am to chalmetteowl
That facility in Hattiesburg is an off-shoot of a larger local club with a high level of coaching acumen. The new facility has good coaches, and rotates practices between Hattiesburg, Birmingham and possibly Slidell. They choose to participate in tournaments in Atlanta, Nashville and other cities in order to play against higher level talent. Traveling to tournaments or developmental programs 4 - 6 hours away brings us back to the issue of pay to play... some families will choose to do it, many will drop out.
The kids might get touches on the ball when they meet for practices locally, but they need exposure to the highest level of competition to develop. Again, geography is a huge issue, and will continue to be an issue, outside of the metropolitan areas.
Trust me on this - I'm currently dealing with it with my kids, and I dread the thought of entering regional PDP in addition to local club team play and school team games. That means that I'm looking at travel for all three teams for one kid, with a second kid who is not old enough for PDP or school team play yet, but often guest plays for other teams in addition to her club team.
It is what it is, because it is the only model available at the time. And to be honest, it might be the only model, at the time, that can address the geographical issue that I'm referring to.
The kids might get touches on the ball when they meet for practices locally, but they need exposure to the highest level of competition to develop. Again, geography is a huge issue, and will continue to be an issue, outside of the metropolitan areas.
Trust me on this - I'm currently dealing with it with my kids, and I dread the thought of entering regional PDP in addition to local club team play and school team games. That means that I'm looking at travel for all three teams for one kid, with a second kid who is not old enough for PDP or school team play yet, but often guest plays for other teams in addition to her club team.
It is what it is, because it is the only model available at the time. And to be honest, it might be the only model, at the time, that can address the geographical issue that I'm referring to.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:09 am to chalmetteowl
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You mention this, but pretty soon, this won't be an issue, if the type of facility Hattiesburg has (as was posted) is any indication. Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, Lake Charles, Lafayette, BR, Houma, Laplace, Metairie, the West Bank, the Northshore, and NOLA, maybe Chalmette too, need to have similar facilities
That indicates a club or donor with BIG money. Are there enough such generous souls, with all the OTHER needs in our society and other charitable organizations, that having such facilities just where you name is a possibility?
That's an awful lot of VERY rich people who get to give without seeing much of a result, IMO. As a U.S. soccer fan, I'd love to see it, of course, don't misunderstand.
That doesn't help our other poster in between your post and mine, who's having huge travel issues and playing on three different sides. That's insane.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:14 am to Bill Parker?
My opinion is it's NFL, NBA, MLB that takes all the top athletes in this country. That's where the big money is, and that's why our elite athletes will walk away from soccer in teenage years or younger and go for glory in a "major" sport. If soccer salaries ever close the gap with these other sports then maybe some young elite USA athletes will follow. (not saying facilities and programs don't have an impact as well, but if you start with the best athletes clearly you have a better chance of building something).
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:15 am to The Mick
The issue has never been lack of athletes.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:23 am to The Mick
quote:already happened at the very top... Look how much Dempsey makes
soccer salaries ever close the gap with these other sports then maybe some young elite USA athletes will follow
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:28 am to chalmetteowl
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already happened at the very top... Look how much Dempsey makes
The minimum salary is more important than the guys at the top.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:29 am to pvilleguru
quote:I disagree. It's certainly part of it.
The issue has never been lack of athletes.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:30 am to chalmetteowl
quote:Im not talking about a couple of players, you need to look at average salaries.
already happened at the very top... Look how much Dempsey makes
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:34 am to The Mick
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It's certainly part of it.
But it's not. We have never lacked good athletes. Our current team is full with good athletes. The problem is and has always been developing skill.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:40 am to pvilleguru
quote:It's both. If you don't think US soccer would benefit from starting skills development at a young age with better/superior athletes then we can just agree to disagree. Our country's top athletic talent plays in the NFL and NBA, not soccer. There are some great soccer athletes of course, but if the pool was expanded it could only help, that is fact.
But it's not. We have never lacked good athletes. Our current team is full with good athletes. The problem is and has always been developing skill.
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