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re: Your occasional reminder that global warming is real,

Posted on 1/12/17 at 6:42 pm to
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58386 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 6:42 pm to
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Once you admit there is a problem, you will be able to be part of the solution.


What is the solution? And if you state one, how long would it take to have even a negligible affect on the temps?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 6:48 pm to
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If a government wanted to push an agenda, say to run up fuel and power prices. Then they would need scientists to pull it off. Strong arm scientists with 95% of funding and profit.


Thats a good point.

Everyone seems to remember Ike's farewell speech when he warned about the "military industrial complex"...but seem to forget that he also warned against the "politicization of science".

Why do you suppose that is?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 6:49 pm to
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What is the solution?


First..what is the problem?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:21 pm to
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That wasn't the claim.
That said...so what? species come and go based on their ability to adapt to nature. We are part of nature.


The claim was that life on earth is going extinct at an alarming rate. Humans are largely responsible.. blahblah you call humans a part of nature and thus it's natural causes. Reptiles and Amphibians (for example) are currently going extinct at a rate about 10,000 times higher than the rate of other organisms.. largely driven by habitat loss (development) and pollution. Roughly 1/3rd of all amphibians are threatened with extinction.

I guess the best argument for the deniers is that humans are simply an extinction level event and that's no big deal.. just nature doing its thing.

I just happen to find that argument retarded.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
19088 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:31 pm to
Maybe the world should go after the real polluters of this earth. China, India, you know places that pollute like crazy. Once you complete that you can come talk to me.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:33 pm to
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Maybe the world should go after the real polluters of this earth. China, India, you know places that pollute like crazy. Once you complete that you can come talk to me.



Not like I can do anything about them. Can only worry about your own fricking back yard. I'd regulate the absolute dogshit out of them if I had my way.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 7:34 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124628 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:36 pm to
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isn't that what most are climate change proponents are afraid of? a positive feedback loop
No.

Warmists are cognizant of anthropogenic contributions to atmospheric CO2, beyond that there aren't many considerations. There is rarely if ever any address of preanthropogenic temperature effects on atmospheric CO2 levels. Their normal position is the 0.11MY ice age temp cycles were CO2 induced rather than the reverse.
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5528 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:48 pm to
Can you tell me what the global temp is "supposed to" be?

Can you tell me the average temp between the years 1701 and 1750?

I also thought that weather was not climate change or is it only climate change when it's warmer out?
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19121 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:51 pm to
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I really hate the anti-intellectual arm of the right.

Do you hate equally the anti-science arm of the left?
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:52 pm to
Guess the government should just tax the shite out everyone and that will solve it.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:54 pm to
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I also thought that weather was not climate change


climate is literally the long term weather pattern
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 7:55 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:55 pm to
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but seem to forget that he also warned against the "politicization of science".

Why do you suppose that is?


because it's fricking dangerous. and it's hard to get much more political than the evangelical rights political stance/ideology on climate change and evolution
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 8:03 pm
Posted by larry289
Holiday Island, AR
Member since Nov 2009
3858 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:58 pm to
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You know how I know you're retarded?

I'm late to the thread, but don't tell him. Want to watch!
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:02 pm to
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Can you name one (1) of their predictions that have come true in that 50 years?


Increased extinction rate

Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:11 pm to
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The claim was that life on earth is going extinct at an alarming rate. Humans are largely responsible


Define the first claim and provide evidence for the second.

If you can't do that, stop wasting peoples time with your fears.

EDIT:


by the way..who is that guy in your gif?...whoever he is, you can tell he's a real scientist
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17392 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:13 pm to
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it's hard to get much more political than the evangelical rights stance on climate change and evolution
How about the secular left's stance on the environmental effect of massive immigration?

What do you think has been the impact on anthropogenic climate change of tens of millions of humans moving from low greenhouse gas producing nations to Europe and the US over the past couple of decades?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:15 pm to
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How about the secular left's stance on the environmental effect of massive immigration?


Huge problem.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:16 pm to
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because it's fricking dangerous. and it's hard to get much more political than the evangelical rights political stance/ideology on climate change and evolution


Thats absurdist at best imo.

The burden of proof is always on the claimant...not the other way around.

I asked you in a previous post in this thread:

The "climate threat" has been carnival barked for the last half century.
Can you point to one (1) dire prediction that these con artists have predicted that has actually come to pass?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:17 pm to
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Increased extinction rate




bullshite.

What is the time frame you're referring to?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:20 pm to
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Define the first claim and provide evidence for the second.



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