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re: Young British Muslim Woman Sets the Apologists Straight @Townhall Meeting
Posted on 5/27/17 at 4:30 pm to EKG
Posted on 5/27/17 at 4:30 pm to EKG
quote:Please understand that I'm not saying today, as it stands today, that the moderate Muslims agree with or condone the murders and terrorism being performed by their more conservative brothers. What I'm saying is that if there were a situation where non-Muslims were forced to declare Islam an enemy of free people throughout the world (I could see that happening at some point within the next century as Islam continues to spread) and moderates were forced to side with their more extreme brothers or the infidels waging war, most would side with their brothers. Opinions would change fast when Islam is in the cross hairs because their first allegiance is to Allah and Islam and they can make excuses for the actions that they don't (or didn't previously) agree with.
FooManChoo, you're one of my favorite posters, but I'm going to disagree with you on this one.
I realize you didn't say "all," but I don't think many would side with the monsters who murder innocents.
One of my best friends in the world is Muslim, and the extremists sicken him.
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Posted on 5/27/17 at 7:38 pm to KCT
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NO OTHER RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS SYSTEMATICALLY KILLING OTHER PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS.
not currently.... but you may want to crack open a history book and read about the Crusades....
ALL religions do kill or have killed in the name of their "god".... don't act high and fricking mighty because it's their turn at the plate.... Christians had their at bat back in the day....
Posted on 5/27/17 at 8:13 pm to chRxis
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ALL religions do kill or have killed in the name of their "god".... don't act high and fricking mighty because it's their turn at the plate.... Christians had their at bat back in the day....
So all we have to do is wait 1000 years and the Muslims will catch up?
The lib stance to white knight for these animals is hilarious in that they will side with ANYBODY who hates the west.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 10:48 pm to chRxis
quote:Did you really just name drop the Crusades?
not currently.... but you may want to crack open a history book and read about the Crusades....
Posted on 5/27/17 at 10:56 pm to chRxis
quote:Anyone can kill in the name of anything. The difference between Christianity and Islam in this regard is that the holy book of Christianity doesn't condone Christians killing in the name of their faith, nor does it command it while Islam does.
not currently.... but you may want to crack open a history book and read about the Crusades....
ALL religions do kill or have killed in the name of their "god".... don't act high and fricking mighty because it's their turn at the plate.... Christians had their at bat back in the day....
Posted on 5/27/17 at 11:54 pm to chRxis
quote:
not currently.... but you may want to crack open a history book and read about the Crusades.... ALL religions do kill or have killed in the name of their "god".... don't act high and fricking mighty because it's their turn at the plate.... Christians had their at bat back in the day....
How much do you know about the Crusades?
Why were there 360 years , give or take, of aggressive Muslim expansion before the first Christian Crusade?
Yet it's always "because of the Crusades!" Not really. That is just an excuse revisionist use but is not remotely true.
Ergo, as is common knowledge to those who know history, the Crusades were a direct response to countless invasions of Europe and other areas in the Middle East that were not yet subjugated by the Muslim Hordes.
LINK
American Thinker Article.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 4:43 am to chRxis
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actually, they probably wouldn't... they really don't like what Islam has become known as
Has become known has? This isn't some "recent" development. You are arguing that this is a new kind of thing for the Islamic world.
The Armenians disagree. So do the Turks who issued a Fatwah for Jihad in WWI.
So do the Mahdi in late 1800's Sudan. The Barbary Pirates weren't kind to non Muslims. Algerian extremists were quite happy to kill in the name of Islam.
All of these happened after 1800 but before/at the time of Israel's founding. Care to explain your comments?
Would you like to go back to before the 1800's? The story doesn't get much better, and Mo's people use him an awful lot to justify their actions.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 5:44 am to chRxis
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Posted on 5/28/17 at 9:18 am to Foch
Not to mention that the founding and initial spread (for several hundred years) was done through bloody conquest. Islam would not exist today if Muhammed did not start killing people who were opposed to his cult.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 8:09 pm to FooManChoo
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the holy book of Christianity doesn't condone Christians killing in the name of their faith
i'm sorry, you were saying...
Posted on 5/28/17 at 8:15 pm to SquirrelyBama
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Islam has got a huge cancer within now, time to treat so called cancer. If it was 1200, we could talk about a cancer within Christianity, but like I mentioned, it's 2017...
you are proving my point, exactly to a tee... listen i'm not condoning what Islam does with their terrorist acts by extremists... but let's not act like Christianity didn't have a time period where they also killed in the name "God"... that shite is FACT... whether it's happened or is happening, i'm just saying that Christianity is just as murderous, in totality, as Islam is...
now, I know this isn't what a majority of you want to hear, which is why the default is to say "yeah, but that happened so long ago...", as if to say it never happened at all... i'm just saying, the world would be a much, much better place without the entire "religion", manmade bullshite... all you are essentially trying to do is say that your imaginary friend is cooler than someone else's...
Posted on 5/28/17 at 8:21 pm to FooManChoo
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Islam would not exist today if Muhammed did not start killing people who were opposed to his cult.
and Christianity wouldn't be here had it not been for Constantine and his vision when beating Maxentius...
what's your point?
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Did you really just name drop the Crusades?
oh, did that NOT actually happen? is recorded history wrong?
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 5/28/17 at 10:59 pm to chRxis
quote:Nice list. Now show me where any of those verses command Christians to kill in the name of Christianity, like I said.
i'm sorry, you were saying...
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:10 pm to chRxis
quote:Not true at all. Christianity was flourishing even under persecution prior to Constantine.
and Christianity wouldn't be here had it not been for Constantine and his vision when beating Maxentius...
what's your point?
quote:Your interpretation of it is wrong. If you studied any of the context leading up to the Crusades you would know about the violent Muslim advance for their persecution of Christians by Muslims where they raped, murdered, and enslaved thousands of Christians living in their territories.
oh, did that NOT actually happen? is recorded history wrong?
Here's an interesting visual comparison of Islam's advance versus the crusade battles.
Battle map of Islamic Jihad vs. Crusades
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:17 pm to FooManChoo
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
kinda hard to argue this isn't condone, if not out right instigating killing those who don't believe the same "Lord" as you....
kinda hard to argue this isn't condone, if not out right instigating killing those who don't believe the same "Lord" as you....
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:23 pm to FooManChoo
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Your interpretation of it is wrong.
did they kill others or not, yes or no?
because i'm pretty sure i KNOW what the Holy Book of Christianity says about that... Thou shall not, i believe... some dude name Moses was there... pretty sure there was a mountain...
look man, just admit, that there have been atrocities by BOTH religions... NEITHER is blameless in this.... acting like your side is holier than thou, while having a pretty fricked up history, as it stands, is weak... that's one of the laundry list of reasons i no longer consider myself a Christian, though I was a born again Christian for a long, long time... it goes hand in hand with the rampant hypocrisy and exclusivism you see all too often in Christianity today, as well...
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:34 pm to FooManChoo
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Christianity was flourishing even under persecution prior to Constantine.
not sure how you define "flourishing":
As the existence of the Christians became more widely known, it became increasingly clear that they were (a) antisocial, in that they did not participate in the normal social life of their communities; (b) sacrilegious, in that they refused to worship the gods; and (c) dangerous, in that the gods did not take kindly to communities that harbored those who failed to offer them cult. By the end of the second century, the Christian apologist (literally, 'defender' of the faith) Tertullian complained about the widespread perception that Christians were the source of all disasters brought against the human race by the gods. 'They think the Christians the cause of every public disaster, of every affliction with which the people are visited. If the Tiber rises as high as the city walls, if the Nile does not send its waters up over the fields, if the heavens give no rain, if there is an earthquake, if there is famine or pestilence, straightway the cry is, "Away with the Christians to the lion!"
Ehrman, Bart D. (2008). A Brief Introduction to the New Testament. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-536934-2.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:41 pm to chRxis
I think you're missing the point of my request and are going to force me to show you why that link you posted does not relate to Christian faith and practice.
I asked which of those verses command Christians to kill in the name of Christianity because none of those verses teach that. Christ said His kingdom is not of this world and therefore entrance into His kingdom comes through faith, which is not something you can have at the point of the sword. Jesus and the Apostles told Christians to pray for their enemies and the unconverted, not kill them. They taught against repaying evil for evil, not killing or harming those who mock or ridicule Christians (unlike what Muhammed taught).
I asked what I asked because you have provided verses from the Old Testament that were for the nation of Israel, either as one-time commands from God against certain evil groups or as civil punishments for breaking the law in the theocracy if Israel. None of those apply to Christians. Even the two verses from the New Testament are bunk for your argument.
The passage in Acts was a recounting of what God did to two people who lied to the Holy Spirit as a warning to others. Peter killed no one and God is free to kill who He wants because we all deserve death anyway.
The passage in Romans doesn't command Christians to kill homosexuals or anyone else. It says that such sinners deserve death (they do, just like we all do), and this is clearly seen in the very next passage in chapter 2, where Paul condemns those in the church of Rome (to which the letter was written) who were doing those very things. He explains that it is God who will repay good for good and evil for evil. He doesn't say that Christians are to execute anyone for those sins; God will do it in the life to come.
I asked which of those verses command Christians to kill in the name of Christianity because none of those verses teach that. Christ said His kingdom is not of this world and therefore entrance into His kingdom comes through faith, which is not something you can have at the point of the sword. Jesus and the Apostles told Christians to pray for their enemies and the unconverted, not kill them. They taught against repaying evil for evil, not killing or harming those who mock or ridicule Christians (unlike what Muhammed taught).
I asked what I asked because you have provided verses from the Old Testament that were for the nation of Israel, either as one-time commands from God against certain evil groups or as civil punishments for breaking the law in the theocracy if Israel. None of those apply to Christians. Even the two verses from the New Testament are bunk for your argument.
The passage in Acts was a recounting of what God did to two people who lied to the Holy Spirit as a warning to others. Peter killed no one and God is free to kill who He wants because we all deserve death anyway.
The passage in Romans doesn't command Christians to kill homosexuals or anyone else. It says that such sinners deserve death (they do, just like we all do), and this is clearly seen in the very next passage in chapter 2, where Paul condemns those in the church of Rome (to which the letter was written) who were doing those very things. He explains that it is God who will repay good for good and evil for evil. He doesn't say that Christians are to execute anyone for those sins; God will do it in the life to come.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:42 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
If you studied any of the context leading up to the Crusades you would know about the violent Muslim advance for their persecution of Christians by Muslims where they raped, murdered, and enslaved thousands of Christians living in their territories.
guess they missed this line from the "good book":
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Romans 12:19
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matt. 5:38-39
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