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You don't have a right to know everything in a separation-of-powers government
Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:59 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:59 am
and there it is
Simas Ignores Subpoena Again as White House Defies
Simas Ignores Subpoena Again as White House Defies
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Eleanor Holmes Norton says 'you don't have a right to know' what's going on in government
Eleanor Holmes Norton, the non-voting congressional delegate for the District of Columbia, angrily sputtered during a congressional hearing Friday that the White House should not be held up to scrutiny, saying that there was no right to know what it was doing behind closed doors.
"You don't have a right to know everything in a separation-of-powers government, my friend. That is the difference between a parliamentary government and a separation-of-powers government," Norton said during a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing.
It was, to put mildly, a significant departure from the more traditional liberal stance that openness and transparency are must to prevent abuses of power by government officials. Instead the leading advocate for statehood for the District of Columbia literally argued that even the congressional committee charged with oversight shouldn't be asking questions in the first place.
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She made the comments while protesting the committee's Republican majority for voting to ignore a claim by the White House that David Simas, director of it's Office of Political Strategy and Outreach, was immune to a congressional subpoena to testify. Republicans believe the office is being used a political campaign operation, a violation of federal election law.
Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., noted he was not alleging any wrongdoing by Simas, but there was a history of violations involving that particular office in prior administrations that justified requesting his testimony.
Under President Obama, the White House has asserted sweeping executive powers, including the right to ignore pretty much all congressional inquiries. The administration has regularly ignored subpoenas from congressional committees.
Holmes was clearly down with that. She called Issa's subpoena a "showcase fishing expedition." She went on to argue that the Constitution's separation of powers specifically gives the people who work directly under the chief executive immunity from subpoenas. "The president's immediate advisor is not an agency and this is not a matter of policy," she said, before going to further clarify that we "don't have a right to know" everything that the administration does.
Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., top ranking Democrat on the Oversight Committee, thanked Holmes for her comments.
"I associate myself with your comments," Cummings added, thus making it clear that he doesn't believe the public has right to know what is going on inside the White House either.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:17 am to KeyserSoze999
Put them all in jail.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:23 am to KeyserSoze999
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Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., top ranking Democrat on the Oversight Committee, thanked Holmes for her comments.
"I associate myself with your comments," Cummings added, thus making it clear that he doesn't believe the public has right to know what is going on inside the White House either.
Then his arse should be kicked off the committee, as it is obvious that he does not share the committee's mission.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:28 am to KeyserSoze999
Willing to wager both Norton and Cummings alter their opinion on the matter with a Republican in the WH.
These people are shameless.
These people are shameless.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 10:26 am to mtntiger
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it is obvious that he does not share the committee's mission.
He's just the token Dem/intel listening post.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:23 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Willing to wager both Norton and Cummings alter their opinion on the matter with a Republican in the WH.
yeah i can't wait until the next non-DEM is in the white house to see what happens with all of this "secret big gov" they're supporting now
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Unfortunately, the Republicans will also likely change their tune if they ever gain the WH again and will be in favor of government secrecy. Both sides are full of disingenuous hypocritical bastards, I just think the Repubs will hurt us less than the Dems.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:11 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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untransparency
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:44 pm to KeyserSoze999
quote:The comedians could have a field day with this.
You don't have a right to know everything in a separation-of-powers government
My guess is they'll ignore it.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:37 pm to KeyserSoze999
But I have rights to water.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:38 pm to themunch
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But I have rights to water.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:07 pm to KeyserSoze999
Well actually from a legal perspective she is right. The way you get information is by request for documents (both digital and hard copy) under the Freedom of Information Act. There are exemptions from this Act for Executive Branch (agencies and WH). For instance any pre-decisional documents are exempt. As I recall there are about 7 exemptions. Likewise there are immunities to subpoena for certain individuals and documents. Not saying it doesn't bump up against any transparency pledge, but from a legal perspective she is right re the Executive Branch.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:05 pm to KeyserSoze999
"It aint none of the public's business what was in that brief case behind that dumpster" - The "honorable" Cleo Fields
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:06 pm to KeyserSoze999
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"You don't have a right to know everything in a separation-of-powers government, my friend. That is the difference between a parliamentary government and a separation-of-powers government," Norton said during a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing.
God. Damnit.
My worthless Civics teacher and Poli Sci professors all failed to teach me that!
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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with all of this "secret big gov"
I like that, it's catchy.
You should maybe clean it up and put a on it or something
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:18 pm to 90proofprofessional
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My worthless Civics teacher and Poli Sci professors all failed to teach me that!
See above post-from a legal perspective the first sentence of her quote is correct.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:22 pm to KeyserSoze999
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"You don't have a right to know everything in a separation-of-powers government
Well you didn't before. Certainly not under George W "Executive Privilege" Bush.
Now there's a black guy in the White House so our standards have changed.
As soon as he's out the president will again have executive privilege, I'm sure of it.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:26 pm to KeyserSoze999
Why is this clown even in the halls of Congress?
This fool has no constitutional authority to be sitting in on any congressional hearings. DC is not a state.
She needs to be escorted out in cuffs.
This fool has no constitutional authority to be sitting in on any congressional hearings. DC is not a state.
She needs to be escorted out in cuffs.
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