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Would you pardon Edward Snowden? Chealsea Manning?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:05 pm
If you were President and had to discourage espionage, could you justify a pardon for Snowden? Could you do it for Manning?
I think that civilians like us weigh their actions against the greater good. POTUS has to also discourage this type of behavior in the future.
I think that civilians like us weigh their actions against the greater good. POTUS has to also discourage this type of behavior in the future.
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:05 pm to goofball
Yes. I would replace MLK Day with Snowden Day
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:06 pm to goofball
Yes.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:07 pm to goofball
Discouraging state secrecy and mass surveillance is more important to freedom and individual liberty.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:07 pm to goofball
I could justify Snowden. Manning? Not so much.
Manning is military and gets held to a higher standard at minimum than an NSA guy.
Manning is military and gets held to a higher standard at minimum than an NSA guy.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:07 pm to goofball
I distinguish between espionage on behalf of a foreign power where the info is given to them secretly and leaking to journalists where the info is then made public to everyone.
I'm not saying the latter shouldn't be punished, but at the very least it's got more shades of grey.
I'm not saying the latter shouldn't be punished, but at the very least it's got more shades of grey.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:08 pm to goofball
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POTUS has to also discourage this type of behavior in the future.
Because of this, no. while Snowden did provide information that was beneficial for the public to know, the next idiot could end up getting Americans killed. The POTUS cannot pardon them.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:08 pm to goofball
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Edward Snowden
No bc he didn't have to go all scorched earth
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Chealsea Manning
Hell no
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:12 pm to CoachChappy
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Because of this, no. while Snowden did provide information that was beneficial for the public to know, the next idiot could end up getting Americans killed. The POTUS cannot pardon them.
Yeah I'd personally like to see them both pardoned.....but if I were POTUS, I don't think I could do it.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:13 pm to CoachChappy
The documents Snowden leaked that have been published should have never been classified in the first place. He did us a service. And our government leaks classified items to the press weekly when it suits them. The only reason they hate Snowden is he shed light on programs they lied about and didn't want us to know existed.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:13 pm to goofball
No to both.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:13 pm to teke184
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:14 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:Maybe some of them. But large portions of his "take" are highly classified and extremely damaging.
The documents Snowden leaked that have been published should have never been classified in the first place.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:15 pm to goofball
Snowden is a whistle blower, Manning is twerp.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:15 pm to goofball
If I'm president, I pardon Snowden for helping me do my job. Not sure about manning, I dont personally like him very much, so that bias would play unless someone could give me a good reason to pardon him. Fair? probably not. oh well, nobody is perfect
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:15 pm to SCLibertarian
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The documents Snowden leaked that have been published should have never been classified in the first place. He did us a service. And our government leaks classified items to the press weekly when it suits them. The only reason they hate Snowden is he shed light on programs they lied about and didn't want us to know existed.
And I totally get that, but for 1 individual to unilaterally decide that the public needs to know classified information is a bad precedent to set. While I think Snowden got it right. I'm not confident that the next person will not it right as well.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:16 pm to SCLibertarian
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The only reason they hate Snowden is he shed light on programs they lied about and didn't want us to know existed.
Not really....for those in the know he released some seriously classified shite.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:17 pm to GarmischTiger
Which is why those documents weren't dumped like Wikileaks. He intentionally sought out Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and Barton Gellman to vet the documents and publish only what was newsworthy and that would not endanger lives.
Snowden gave up a cushy job, his family and his comfortable life to inform his countrymen of their government's lies and deceit. I can't comprehend how some see him as a villain.
Snowden gave up a cushy job, his family and his comfortable life to inform his countrymen of their government's lies and deceit. I can't comprehend how some see him as a villain.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:18 pm to goofball
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If you were President and had to discourage espionage, could you justify a pardon for Snowden? Could you do it for Manning?
I think that civilians like us weigh their actions against the greater good. POTUS has to also discourage this type of behavior in the future.
You would risk badly alienating the entire intelligence apparatus, most of which consider Snowden and Manning traitors. I'm not sure that's a fight any President should pick.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:19 pm to goofball
They should both be working on our new wall wearing inmate clothes.
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