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Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler says Indian politician Dr Shashi Tharoor
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:21 pm
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An Indian politician has said Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler and the two leaders have equivalent amounts of “blood” on their hands.
Dr Shashi Tharoor, whose new book Inglorious Empire chronicles the atrocities of the British Empire, said the former British Prime Minister should be remembered alongside the most prominent dictators of the twentieth century.
Dr Tharoor, a former Under-Secretary General of the UN, said the blame for the Bengal Famine rested with Churchill. In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.
“This is the man who the British insist on hailing as some apostle of freedom and democracy," the author said of Churchill at a launch of his book. "When to my mind he is really one of the more evil rulers of the 20th century only fit to stand in company of the likes of Hitler, Mao and Stalin".
“Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does,” the Indian MP said. “Particularly the decisions that he personally signed off during The Bengal Famine when 4.3 million people died because of the decisions he took or endorsed."
"Not only did the British pursue its own policy of not helping the victims of this famine which was created by their policies. Churchill persisted in exporting grain to Europe, not to feed actual ‘Sturdy Tommies’, to use his phrase, but add to the buffer stocks that were being piled up in the event of a future invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia”.
“Ships laden with wheat were coming in from Australia docking in Calcutta and were instructed by Churchill not to disembark their cargo but sail on to Europe,” he added. “And when conscience-stricken British officials wrote to the Prime Minister in London pointing out that his policies were causing needless loss of life all he could do was write peevishly in the margin of the report, ‘Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?'"
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:24 pm to Bench McElroy
Big difference between having to make a logistical decision and actively pursuing industrial scale murder.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:24 pm to Bench McElroy
How anyone could consider this important or noteworthy is mind boggling. War is hell.
If you don't understand the distinction between this and the Final Solution, then it's not worth the argument
Not referring to OP, but the Indian MP
If you don't understand the distinction between this and the Final Solution, then it's not worth the argument
Not referring to OP, but the Indian MP
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:24 pm to Bench McElroy
We hate our Indians, don't we folks
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:38 pm to Bench McElroy
Depending on your viewpoint Winston Churchill could be viewed many ways.
He was ruthless and cut throat and manipulative. But he with much assistance over game the axispowers.
He manipulated a way to get lots of arms from us without us being in the war, which stimulated our economy.
But then the whole Pearl Harbor tragedy which brought us into the war was very serendipitous and convenient.
Winston chiurchill also recieved secret correspondence from Adolph hitler trying to end the war earlier on. In like 41 or 42 . He could have stopped there but that wasn't in his nature.
Most people don't remember that He moved into the White House and basically made himself co president. Ordering the White House staff around like he owned the place. Drinking scotch and smoking cigars in his under garments out in the open. Can you imagine that in today's world.. In any country?
Also some of the American people even celebrities who helped with the USO effort received the British cross / were knighted ... I wonder what this grand service to Britain was. Normal generals and military weren't honored thusly and not every USO or celebrity. In Particular I refer to Bob Hope the king of American media at the time able to travel to all of the American camps during the war. Would have been really easy to transfer information through him or for him to gain information.
After the blitzkreig Winston Churchill was not ready for the tchnology hitter had and he acquired the US and its patriots to get the job done.
So there are definitely multiple sides one black one white, and one shade of gray.
He was ruthless and cut throat and manipulative. But he with much assistance over game the axispowers.
He manipulated a way to get lots of arms from us without us being in the war, which stimulated our economy.
But then the whole Pearl Harbor tragedy which brought us into the war was very serendipitous and convenient.
Winston chiurchill also recieved secret correspondence from Adolph hitler trying to end the war earlier on. In like 41 or 42 . He could have stopped there but that wasn't in his nature.
Most people don't remember that He moved into the White House and basically made himself co president. Ordering the White House staff around like he owned the place. Drinking scotch and smoking cigars in his under garments out in the open. Can you imagine that in today's world.. In any country?
Also some of the American people even celebrities who helped with the USO effort received the British cross / were knighted ... I wonder what this grand service to Britain was. Normal generals and military weren't honored thusly and not every USO or celebrity. In Particular I refer to Bob Hope the king of American media at the time able to travel to all of the American camps during the war. Would have been really easy to transfer information through him or for him to gain information.
After the blitzkreig Winston Churchill was not ready for the tchnology hitter had and he acquired the US and its patriots to get the job done.
So there are definitely multiple sides one black one white, and one shade of gray.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:39 pm to Bench McElroy
Southeast Asia at large has a ridiculous infatuation with Hitler. It is very strange.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:41 pm to HailFreezusOver
He was a massive shite head to the Indians, but Hitler is a little much.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:44 pm to OMLandshark
They may have close relations through the Ahnenerbe. When the nazis sent out historians/anthropologists to find out the history of Germans and the knowledge these peoples had. Think they went to all parts of India and sout eastern China.
Also the symbolismof the nazi party has roots in India and the Middle East it would seem.
Also the symbolismof the nazi party has roots in India and the Middle East it would seem.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:46 pm to Jcorye1
Didn't mean to give credence to the comparison.
Just to point out that Churchill was not the Saint he is exalted as in history, much like Abraham Lincoln people over look some of the historical facts and just let the end results tell the tell.
The victors write the history books.
Just to point out that Churchill was not the Saint he is exalted as in history, much like Abraham Lincoln people over look some of the historical facts and just let the end results tell the tell.
The victors write the history books.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:49 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
Big difference between having to make a logistical decision and actively pursuing industrial scale murder.
War is ugly, winning is uglier
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:50 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
Big difference between having to make a logistical decision and actively pursuing industrial scale murder.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:53 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
He was a massive shite head to the Indians, but Hitler is a little much.
I agree, but if you had been raised on personal family stories of people that died of starvation during that time, you might not feel that way.
So, yeah, he's wrong, but I imagine a lot of people are going to get way too bent out of shape over what boils down to a moment of hyperbole.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:54 pm to SoulGlo
If you read up on Indian History you'll get their point of view. Churchill to them was an imperialist who let Indians die and starve to serve the interests of the British Empire. If you were Indian you'd have a different opinion of Winston Churchill.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:54 pm to HailFreezusOver
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Particular I refer to Bob Hope
Who was born in England.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 9:07 pm to Bench McElroy
Churchill was far more quotable.
"Winston, You're Drunk!"
"And You Madam, are Ugly, but I will be sober in the morning."
"Winston, You're Drunk!"
"And You Madam, are Ugly, but I will be sober in the morning."
Posted on 3/22/17 at 9:46 pm to NimbleCat
"Winston, if you were my husband, I would flavor your coffee with poison".
"Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it".
"Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it".
Posted on 3/22/17 at 9:48 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:
If you read up on Indian History you'll get their point of view. Churchill to them was an imperialist who let Indians die and starve to serve the interests of the British Empire. If you were Indian you'd have a different opinion of Winston Churchill
Well yeah, but Hitler is a whole nother level no matter where you're from. Did Churchill starve Indians like Mao? No.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 9:52 pm to Jcorye1
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He was a massive shite head to the Indians
Not just Churchill, but the Britains overall. They (and the French) fricked Africa pretty bad and left a mess in the Middle East after they broke up the Ottoman Empire.
As a matter of fact, most of the international problems we have today can be linked to the British Empire.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:13 pm to Bench McElroy
Winston Churchill would have been awesome on twitter. "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:22 pm to Texas Weazel
Africa was and is a shithole because of a number of factors. The european empires are not one of them. European empires drew arbitrary lines in the americas, Asia, Africa, and Oceania. Yet Africa alone stands as a total shithole.
Why?
Because the harbors are few and shallow, rivers are not navigable, railroad grades are steep, and disease from the tse tse fly kills your nice little shite. The continent never even developed permanent organization above chiefdoms, because the nice domesticable animals and plants grown in Mesopotamia couldn't hack the climate and natural fauna.
Africa being a shithole in current year has nothing to do with Europe. Europe didn't make it impossible without modern tech to connect regions economically. They didn't invent malaria or sleeping sickness. They didn't prevent the spread of domesticated animals past Ethiopia. They didnt prevent Africa's 7,000 languages from coagulating into regional lingua francas. Hell they fricking gave large sections of Africa the railroad, the harbor dredge, the lingua francas and the basic infrastructure.
The Middle East goes double. The arabs were pastoral nomads before the ottomans. They hated and revolted against the ottomans all the time, and did the same to the British. But it's the British's fault they're fighting now? Really?
Why?
Because the harbors are few and shallow, rivers are not navigable, railroad grades are steep, and disease from the tse tse fly kills your nice little shite. The continent never even developed permanent organization above chiefdoms, because the nice domesticable animals and plants grown in Mesopotamia couldn't hack the climate and natural fauna.
Africa being a shithole in current year has nothing to do with Europe. Europe didn't make it impossible without modern tech to connect regions economically. They didn't invent malaria or sleeping sickness. They didn't prevent the spread of domesticated animals past Ethiopia. They didnt prevent Africa's 7,000 languages from coagulating into regional lingua francas. Hell they fricking gave large sections of Africa the railroad, the harbor dredge, the lingua francas and the basic infrastructure.
The Middle East goes double. The arabs were pastoral nomads before the ottomans. They hated and revolted against the ottomans all the time, and did the same to the British. But it's the British's fault they're fighting now? Really?
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 10:26 pm
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