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Posted by VirgilCaine
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 9:57 am to
WFB is an all time classic.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:31 am to
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WFB... but damn I like him better than Milton Friedman.


Apples and oranges. Milton was a specialist in economics. WFB was interested in everything. He posed an interesting question: "What person in history possessed the greatest percentage of knowledge that was knowable during his time?" His conclusion was:

Erasmus
Posted by Jimbeaux
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:33 am to
There's a decent documentary on Netflix about the WF Buckley vs. Gore Vidal debates during the 1968 Rep and Dem Party Conventions.

It's fascinating from an historical perspective. I think that it gives Gore Vidal too much credit. He comes across as a spoiled brat. However, he certainly did get under Buckley's skin and caused Buckley to come unglued at one point.

I recommend it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:35 am to
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There's a decent documentary on Netflix about the WF Buckley vs. Gore Vidal debates

decent?

you mean amazing, right?
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:42 am to
Discovering William F. Buckley's greatness for the first time is such a joy. I'd never actually watched or read much from him until a couple years ago and I've become a YUGE admirer ever since. He's a true national treasure.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:45 am to
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It's fascinating from an historical perspective. I think that it gives Gore Vidal too much credit. He comes across as a spoiled brat. However, he certainly did get under Buckley's skin and caused Buckley to come unglued at one point.


"Listen to me you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in the goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered!"

Posted by VirgilCaine
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:49 am to
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It's fascinating from an historical perspective. I think that it gives Gore Vidal too much credit. He comes across as a spoiled brat. However, he certainly did get under Buckley's skin and caused Buckley to come unglued at one point.


This is an understatement. Had Buckley actually socked him it would have been deserved. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:52 am to
My favorite WFB story (told by his son Chris). They went sailing off the coast for an overnight trip. When it was time for dinner all the kitchen pantry had was canned beans. WFB said "How about some lobster?"

He went up to a floating marker and pulled a cage up loaded with lobsters. "I'm not stealing...I'm making a trade." He removed some lobsters and placed several bottles of very expensive Champagne into the cages.

I'll bet the fishermen were shocked the next morning when they pulled it up.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:53 am to
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William F. Buckley


You haven't seen Aladdin???
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:58 am to
Buckley and Thurston Howell III sound exactly alike.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112467 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:00 am to
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Buckley and Thurston Howell III sound exactly alike.


Not really. Thurston is more exaggerated. WFB was the last person I've heard use the old rule on 'WH' pronounced "HW". I learned it back in the 50s in grade school.

IE, The word 'When' used to be pronounced "Hwen.'
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:05 am to
The Buckley v. Chomsky debate was fantastic.
Posted by VirgilCaine
Orchard Park
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:08 am to
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The Buckley v. Chomsky debate was fantastic.



Agreed, great minds having an engaging debate. Buckley was brilliant at bringing in people who were diametrically opposed to his positions and still having rational, respectful dialogue.

A model for us all.
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:19 am to
The WFB/GV doc was surprisingly fair to WFB -- w/ one big exception. The last act presented his reaction to GV as a great failure on his part, one that he spent the rest of his life regretting. Indeed the film presented his post-debate life as one long disappointment.

This is completely false. WFB was a cult figure beforehand. The debate made him a star. His PBS TV show got a lot more stations, his books sold better -- he even became a bestselling mystery novelist. Even Vidal admitted this: He said one of the great regrets of his life was that he made WFB a star.

Another interesting documentary:

Gore Vidal - The American Presidency (1999)

Made for the History Channel back when it didn't suck, this is an iconoclastic look at the office of the Presidency: how it was created, and how it has affected the world.

Vidal dwells on his "American Empire" theme that he promoted in several novels and essays. Conservatives will likely be outraged by some of his claims, though in my own case it wasn't until the post-WWII era that I got really annoyed.

Still it's interesting if sometimes inaccurate, giving Vidal the perfect vehicle for his talents. Although he was a good novelist, his true genius was for playing the curmudgeonly Man of Letters.

Curiously enough I like Vidal as a historical novelist, at least when he keeps the propaganda to a minimum. For anyone who enjoys historical fiction I would recommend Julian and Creation, as well as some entries in the "American Chronicles" series such as Burr, 1876, and Lincoln (once listed by David Duke as his favorite novel!)

"It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail." -- Gore Vidal
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34653 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:31 am to
I remember hearing Buckley on Larry King's radio show back in 1985-86. Larry referred to comments some senator had made on the issue they were discussing, and WFB replied, "Well, Larry, you have to understand, Senator X is an extremely ignorant man".

Laughed my arse off at that.
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