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re: Will Kasich Sign it?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:36 pm to headbangerrebel
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:36 pm to headbangerrebel
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I personally don't agree with having a rape clause. The child didn't choose how they were conceived
What a load of shite.
If your wife were gang raped and got pregnant and she told you she didn't want to have it, you think the government should force her to?
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:36 pm to TigersHuskers
I hope not. We need fewer poor Democrats, not more.
We should build more PP facilities, make them free, and hand out condoms and birth control in all public high scruels
We should build more PP facilities, make them free, and hand out condoms and birth control in all public high scruels
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:37 pm to mahdragonz
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it's not like the court suddenly flipped.
Not with this appointment, but give it a couple of years. There's still a chance it could flip at some point in the next 4 to 8 years.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:37 pm to TigersHuskers
It's bullshite. My wife didn't even find out she was pregnant until she was already almost three months along. First time mothers don't show and she had no other signs, was on birth control and only found out because she got the flu. While our son was unplanned, we were emotionally and financially ready for a child. Many aren't.
Six weeks is absurd.
Six weeks is absurd.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:39 pm to headbangerrebel
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I personally don't agree with having a rape clause. The child didn't choose how they were conceived
So you think a woman should have to suffer, carrying the child of her rapist, for nine plus months just because you think it's ok? How terrible a person can you be?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:40 pm to mahdragonz
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If a soldier kills someone, do they go to jail? It stops a heartbeat, isn't all life precious and we should punish those who kill!!!
Dude, please tell me you're not seriously equating a solder with a baby.
So are you saying that the mother and doctor are declaring war on the baby?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:48 pm to Bamatab
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So are you saying that the mother and doctor are declaring war on the baby?
If a person stops a heartbeat is it murder?
Wouldn't all lives stopped be murder then?
If someone breaks into your house and you shoot and kill them don't you stop a heart beat?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:48 pm to dmjones
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So you think a woman should have to suffer, carrying the child of her rapist, for nine plus months just because you think it's ok?
Who is saying that a rape victim having to carry a child is ok? A rape victim carrying a child for 9 months is horrible, and no one is arguing that. But killing a child if just as bad if not worse. Yes, the rape victim will have to suffer for 9 more months, and that is a damn shame. But two wrongs don't make a right, and there is no reason that I can think of that the baby should be killed for the vile act of a vile rapist.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:51 pm to mahdragonz
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If someone breaks into your house and you shoot and kill them don't you stop a heart beat?
If someone breaks into my house, they are consciously making a decision to break the law, break into my house, and put my life in danger.
A baby is not making a conscious decision to break the law, or put anyone's life in danger. A baby is innocent, a criminal is not.
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If a person stops a heartbeat is it murder?
And no, killing is not the same thing as murder.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:53 pm to Bamatab
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Who is saying that a rape victim having to carry a child is ok? A rape victim carrying a child for 9 months is horrible, and no one is arguing that. But killing a child if just as bad if not worse. Yes, the rape victim will have to suffer for 9 more months, and that is a damn shame. But two wrongs don't make a right, and there is no reason that I can think of that the baby should be killed for the vile act of a vile rapist.
An embryo is not a baby. Period.
Many women who have no choice but carry their rapists child commit suicide, ending the lives of not only the fetus, but a living breathing human being as well.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:57 pm to dmjones
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An embryo is not a baby. Period.
If the embryo is alive, it is human life. Period.
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Many women who have no choice but carry their rapists child commit suicide, ending the lives of not only the fetus, but a living breathing human being as well.
If a woman is so devastated that she is going to kill herself, then killing the baby isn't going to change that grief. I would argue that it could possibly add to her grief down the road. Just saying.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:21 pm to Bamatab
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The law and SCOTUS aren't infallible.
But it is the law, and we all live under it, whether you agree with it or not.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:40 pm to TigernMS12
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But it is the law, and we all live under it, whether you agree with it or not.
Where did I say that it wasn't the law, or that I wouldn't live under the law?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:58 pm to Bamatab
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If the embryo is alive, it is human life. Period.
If you say so.
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If a woman is so devastated that she is going to kill herself, then killing the baby isn't going to change that grief. I would argue that it could possibly add to her grief down the road. Just saying.
My sister was raped when she was 16. She had an abortion and has no regrets. She would have suffered had she been forced, by a government, to carry the product to that rape to term. If you had skin in the game, and I'm assuming that you don't, you may feel differently.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:04 pm to Bamatab
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An embryo is not a baby. Period.
Agreed
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If the embryo is alive, it is human life. Period.
If it is not possible something to sustain life on it's own how can it "alive"
I personally agree with the pre/post viability line. If you can't sustain life, then your not alive, thus you are not a being yet. Once the point is reached where at any moment the fetus/baby can sustain life on it's own should it be birthed, then it is a being.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:30 pm to TigernMS12
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If you can't sustain life, then your not alive
So is someone that has to stay on a respirator alive? They cannot sustain life on their own. Is a 6 month old baby alive? They technically cannot sustain life on their own without someone feeding them & taking care of them. Just because one life depends on someone or something else to sustain their life doesn't mean that life isn't life.
The definition of sustained is: continuing for an extended period or without interruption. So by definition, sustaining or not being able to sustain life means that there is a pre-existing life that is being continued or not being continued.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:40 pm to Bamatab
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So is someone that has to stay on a respirator alive? They cannot sustain life on their own.
I would say no, hence why they're called brain dead. Also, it is perfectly legal to "abort" life support in this situation, which few, if any, argue against.
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Is a 6 month old baby alive?
Yes
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They technically cannot sustain life on their own without someone feeding them & taking care of them.
There is a distinction in not being mature enough to sustain yourself in regards to external needs and not being able to maintain life on a second-by-second physiological level. If you can't see that I can't help you.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:08 am to TigernMS12
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I would say no, hence why they're called brain dead. Also, it is perfectly legal to "abort" life support in this situation, which few, if any, argue against.
Dude, not everyone on a respirator is brain dead. Good
Grief.
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There is a distinction in not being mature enough to sustain yourself in regards to external needs and not being able to maintain life on a second-by-second physiological level. If you can't see that I can't help you.
Again, the fact that there you are using the verbs sustain and maintain is proof that there is a life being sustained. Just because you believe you can rank the importance of the stages of it, doesn't make it not exist. And if you can't see that, then I can't help you either.
I've stated why I believe what I do, and that is all I can do. If you want to justify killing unborn human beings, then that is your choice. I'm done arguing the point in this thread.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 12:13 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:21 am to Bamatab
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Again, the fact that there you are using the verbs sustain and maintain is proof that there is a life being sustained.
I'm not arguing that there is not life being sustained, the point I'm making is who is sustaining the life on a physiological level. When the fetus/baby can do it, then it is a living being, but when it is not the fetus sustaining its life, but the mother by virtue of being inside her, it is not a being.
quote:Fair enough
I've stated why I believe what I do, and that is all I can do. If you want to justify killing unborn human beings, then that is your choice. I'm done arguing the point in this thread.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:28 pm to cameronml
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How about allowing people to be in control of what happens to their own body? I'm guessing you aren't a woman.
A woman can only sell her baby to the devil, the part that starts the process she has no control of, the government says so!...... Along with every other part of her body!
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